I have two of the Black Magic 3's which I use for fishing to hand on rivers such as the Wye. IMO the Black Magic is an out and out line to hand or margin pole. I believe the Force has put over joints which make the pole slightly different from the original models which were put in. I think if you want a general all-round or carp pole there may be better models about. Have a look in your local and see what they recommend.