BBC, Last Night Of The Proms Butchery (prepare to be angry)

crackatoa

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This explains it...


The massive furore over Last Night of the Proms is a perfect example of the culture war tactics employed by the Tories and their stooges at the BBC, and in the corporate media.
The whole confected scandal kicked off when a single person expressed their opinion that jingoistic flag-waving odes to monarchy and imperialism like Rule, Britannia! could be dropped from the event.
The imperialist songs are pretty grim, but nobody with any sense of perspective thinks this should be a priority over issues like systemic racism, the rise of the extreme-right, police brutality ...
But it's a valid opinion to say the imperialistic odes are outdated, and anyone who truly believes in free speech should accept people's right to express their opinion.
But the right-wing rabble have switched seamlessly from crying about "cancel culture" to demanding the immediate sacking of the Finnish conductor who first suggested a rethink on the jingoistic songs.
The BBC then announced that the songs would be played at this years' event, but without the words, causing another surge of performative right-wing outrage, including from a number of Tory MPs.
Had they even bothered to read the article, the text explained that there would be no singing this year in line with coronavirus distancing rules, because singing is just about the most effective way of spreading viral particles other than sneezing. And that the singing would return next year.
They just frothed and raged at the headline, as if the odes are to be performed with no singing as an act of deference to the (non-existent) leftist campaigners who demanded the songs be scrapped.
Reality doesn't matter at all to these people, as long as there's something they can whip their followers up into a rage about.
The BBC and corporate media outlets deliberately feed into this outrage-mongering by constructing their headlines as misleadingly or ambiguously as possible in order to capitalise on all the rage shares.
A classic example of this tactic being the decision to delete the "Don't Mention the War" episode of Fawlty Towers from UKTV because of the racial slurs, despitethe fact that nobody called for it to be deleted, and the existence of an edited version without the racial slurs that was made with the approval of John Cleese over a decade ago.
Instead of just replacing the episode with the approved edit, they deleted the whole thing and whipped up a massive "cancel culture" furore for the gammonati to lose their minds about.
Tory MPs love to participate in this kind of confected outrage-mongering because it draws loads of public attention away from real issues, like the fact their depraved "let it spread" coronavirus strategy killed tens of thousands of people, the exams algorithm scandal, the Jenrick property scandal, and the £millions in no-bid coronavirus contracts handed out to Tory party donors, Tory party advisers, and other Tory chums.
Just consider how many Tory MPs have composed breathlessly outraged Tweets about this ludicrously confected proms scandal, and how few of them expressed similar outrage about the classist Tory exams algorithm that was explicitly designed to protect the grades of private school kids, and downgrade talented state school kids from working and middle class backgrounds.
This "culture war" bolloocks is just a smokescreen designed to draw negative public attention away from the Tory government. And it's frightening how many people seem incapable of seeing this confected outrage scam for what it is.
 

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Was that written by a Labour activist or a Momentum follower, it reads so?

No singing is rubbish regardless of social distancing. If the BBC wanted they could easily play a recording from previous years, or invite a soloist along to sing.
Instead they took everything onboard that one person protested about and ran with it, such is the culture within the BBC of pampering to the minorities and sod the rest of you.
 

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Diversionary propaganda is a common tory thing, (ooh look a dinghy !)

its got worse since the unelected advisor started running the government

myself I think that statement whoever wrote it rings true and fair

so you would like the proms dumbed down to the level of top of the pops now then, wasnt it really all about having a good sing up for the masses, not running a recording or a solo, everyone belted out the popular songs
 

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This explains it...


The massive furore over Last Night of the Proms is a perfect example of the culture war tactics employed by the Tories and their stooges at the BBC, and in the corporate media.
The whole confected scandal kicked off when a single person expressed their opinion that jingoistic flag-waving odes to monarchy and imperialism like Rule, Britannia! could be dropped from the event.
The imperialist songs are pretty grim, but nobody with any sense of perspective thinks this should be a priority over issues like systemic racism, the rise of the extreme-right, police brutality ...
But it's a valid opinion to say the imperialistic odes are outdated, and anyone who truly believes in free speech should accept people's right to express their opinion.
But the right-wing rabble have switched seamlessly from crying about "cancel culture" to demanding the immediate sacking of the Finnish conductor who first suggested a rethink on the jingoistic songs.
The BBC then announced that the songs would be played at this years' event, but without the words, causing another surge of performative right-wing outrage, including from a number of Tory MPs.
Had they even bothered to read the article, the text explained that there would be no singing this year in line with coronavirus distancing rules, because singing is just about the most effective way of spreading viral particles other than sneezing. And that the singing would return next year.
They just frothed and raged at the headline, as if the odes are to be performed with no singing as an act of deference to the (non-existent) leftist campaigners who demanded the songs be scrapped.
Reality doesn't matter at all to these people, as long as there's something they can whip their followers up into a rage about.
The BBC and corporate media outlets deliberately feed into this outrage-mongering by constructing their headlines as misleadingly or ambiguously as possible in order to capitalise on all the rage shares.
A classic example of this tactic being the decision to delete the "Don't Mention the War" episode of Fawlty Towers from UKTV because of the racial slurs, despitethe fact that nobody called for it to be deleted, and the existence of an edited version without the racial slurs that was made with the approval of John Cleese over a decade ago.
Instead of just replacing the episode with the approved edit, they deleted the whole thing and whipped up a massive "cancel culture" furore for the gammonati to lose their minds about.
Tory MPs love to participate in this kind of confected outrage-mongering because it draws loads of public attention away from real issues, like the fact their depraved "let it spread" coronavirus strategy killed tens of thousands of people, the exams algorithm scandal, the Jenrick property scandal, and the £millions in no-bid coronavirus contracts handed out to Tory party donors, Tory party advisers, and other Tory chums.
Just consider how many Tory MPs have composed breathlessly outraged Tweets about this ludicrously confected proms scandal, and how few of them expressed similar outrage about the classist Tory exams algorithm that was explicitly designed to protect the grades of private school kids, and downgrade talented state school kids from working and middle class backgrounds.
This "culture war" bolloocks is just a smokescreen designed to draw negative public attention away from the Tory government. And it's frightening how many people seem incapable of seeing this confected outrage scam for what it is.
Crackatoa, I agree govt corruption needs to be exposed, and the same for any govt regardless of political orientation.
I see this prom issue as being much deeper, people perceive it an attack on british culture, a culture that has given as much as it has taken.
I notice a news item yesterday from africa saying for the first time the continent is free from polio, who led the way in this cure? white culture.
As for the school exam results favouring the wealthy public school kids, it's a load of tosh. Public schools have lessons on saturday mornings and classes don't finish until 5pm, the tutors are of better quality with better resources and make sure the students get good results with extra tuition. I see it, I do contract work at a public school and look with envy at the education they recieve.
Equality is an ideal and not a given, life will always be skewed for the benefit of the few, the object is to play the cards you are dealt and do the best you can.
If we choose to measure ourselves by wealth instead of achievment then we will never be happy.
 

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so you would like the proms dumbed down to the level of top of the pops now then, wasnt it really all about having a good sing up for the masses, not running a recording or a solo, everyone belted out the popular songs


We've had football stadiums with broadcast crowd noise, nothing wrong with broadcasting the singing form a previous year and let's be honest here, it's not as though they do not have the equipment to do so. Don't buy into 'their' agenda.
People have voiced their disgust at all levels and on many platforms. The BBC work for us, not the other way around. If they do not want to continue promoting British culture then they should drop the 'British' from their name and fund themselves.
 

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This explains it...


The massive furore over Last Night of the Proms is a perfect example of the culture war tactics employed by the Tories and their stooges at the BBC, and in the corporate media.
The whole confected scandal kicked off when a single person expressed their opinion that jingoistic flag-waving odes to monarchy and imperialism like Rule, Britannia! could be dropped from the event.
The imperialist songs are pretty grim, but nobody with any sense of perspective thinks this should be a priority over issues like systemic racism, the rise of the extreme-right, police brutality ...
But it's a valid opinion to say the imperialistic odes are outdated, and anyone who truly believes in free speech should accept people's right to express their opinion.
But the right-wing rabble have switched seamlessly from crying about "cancel culture" to demanding the immediate sacking of the Finnish conductor who first suggested a rethink on the jingoistic songs.
The BBC then announced that the songs would be played at this years' event, but without the words, causing another surge of performative right-wing outrage, including from a number of Tory MPs.
Had they even bothered to read the article, the text explained that there would be no singing this year in line with coronavirus distancing rules, because singing is just about the most effective way of spreading viral particles other than sneezing. And that the singing would return next year.
They just frothed and raged at the headline, as if the odes are to be performed with no singing as an act of deference to the (non-existent) leftist campaigners who demanded the songs be scrapped.
Reality doesn't matter at all to these people, as long as there's something they can whip their followers up into a rage about.
The BBC and corporate media outlets deliberately feed into this outrage-mongering by constructing their headlines as misleadingly or ambiguously as possible in order to capitalise on all the rage shares.
A classic example of this tactic being the decision to delete the "Don't Mention the War" episode of Fawlty Towers from UKTV because of the racial slurs, despitethe fact that nobody called for it to be deleted, and the existence of an edited version without the racial slurs that was made with the approval of John Cleese over a decade ago.
Instead of just replacing the episode with the approved edit, they deleted the whole thing and whipped up a massive "cancel culture" furore for the gammonati to lose their minds about.
Tory MPs love to participate in this kind of confected outrage-mongering because it draws loads of public attention away from real issues, like the fact their depraved "let it spread" coronavirus strategy killed tens of thousands of people, the exams algorithm scandal, the Jenrick property scandal, and the £millions in no-bid coronavirus contracts handed out to Tory party donors, Tory party advisers, and other Tory chums.
Just consider how many Tory MPs have composed breathlessly outraged Tweets about this ludicrously confected proms scandal, and how few of them expressed similar outrage about the classist Tory exams algorithm that was explicitly designed to protect the grades of private school kids, and downgrade talented state school kids from working and middle class backgrounds.
This "culture war" bolloocks is just a smokescreen designed to draw negative public attention away from the Tory government. And it's frightening how many people seem incapable of seeing this confected outrage scam for what it is.
Yawn!!
 

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Bitter Lemon anyone?
not at all - both sides should stop over-reacting to everything

the audience at last night of the Proms is pretty "liberal" (witness the EU flags on the last occasion) and they don't have a problem with singing along to these lyrics.
you can sing the song and wave flags without thinking that the British Empire was all good and that there is not still more that we can all do to promote equality of opportunity.
 

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My reaction was to your catch all “Gammon”reference, admittedly with a catch all bitter “Remoaner “ lemon reference but there you go!.
Kind of highlights the lack of middle ground between both sides and how easily it is to drop into name calling even during what was a fairly restrained discussion. Disappointing really as you usually don’t lower yourself to mudslinging.
Stick with the reasoned debate leave the trash talk to others, there’s plenty of others on both sides of the argument that can take care of that.👍
 

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The I should have put a winky on it .... as You correctly interpreted, it was just a gentle nod towards the earlier explanation of the gammon term on the thread and the confected/triggered outrage by a number of posters.
Where’s michael winner when you need him?
 

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Diversionary propaganda is a common tory thing, (ooh look a dinghy !)

its got worse since the unelected advisor started running the government

myself I think that statement whoever wrote it rings true and fair

so you would like the proms dumbed down to the level of top of the pops now then, wasnt it really all about having a good sing up for the masses, not running a recording or a solo, everyone belted out the popular songs

'Diversionary propaganda is a common tory thing, (ooh look a dinghy !)'

And the Labour Party don't ?
 

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not at all - both sides should stop over-reacting to everything

the audience at last night of the Proms is pretty "liberal" (witness the EU flags on the last occasion) and they don't have a problem with singing along to these lyrics.
you can sing the song and wave flags without thinking that the British Empire was all good and that there is not still more that we can all do to promote equality of opportunity.
NCP, do you not think we (British people) have done enough to promote equal opportunity in all areas of the country? I genuinely can’t think of one thing (or place) that someone cannot do/go because of the colour of their skin.
 
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