Baits for chub

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pikey123

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I,m after advice on ground baits & hookbaits during the winter for chub on my local river, (WYRE.)I,ve been using mashed bread for an attractor but im unsure as to whether its around where i,m fishing or 50yds down river,taking the fish with it.Any alternatives?
I,m using cheese paste bread (if clear)&worms are boilies any good for chub or trout pellets.
I tend to fish with the bait on the bottom & have caught but i,m after improving on my total catch rate.
dave.

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The 'experts' say that if the presentation is right, then the bait is almost irrelevant with chub, as long as you have found or attracted some fish in the first place.

Presentation on the bottom usually means using as little lead as possible. I often only use one swan shot pinched on the line about 8-10 inches from the hook, even in a fastish flow. If fishing the far bank, I put a 12 foot rod high to keep the line out the main flow.

They pretty shy and easily spooked, so it is worth trying to pick fish off the outside of a holding area first, before wading into the middle of it. I also keep off the skyline, and try not to thud much.

If you think your freebies are washing down river, you could try swim-feedered maggot/caster with a small strong hook like Drennan super specialist size 18.
 

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well i think you should tie your hook on the end of your reel line using 4-8 pound line.then go about 20-25 inches up your line and tie a 5 inch piece of line on using a water not then put 3-4 ssg shots then bait you hook with bread flake or bread flake and cheese paste and use liquidised bread with somet to add wieghed to it in it like small fish tank stone or somet as feed tell us how you get on trying that

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Mr Crabtree used clay to weight his groundbait. I'm sure there is something else now that you can buy in the tackle shops.
 

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You may think i'm mad but year's ago on the Great Ouse at Offord Cluny the Weir Pool an angler who was staying at the same pub showed me how to catch large chub on a lip hooked gudgeon or minnow or bleak under a large balsa float . Not tried it since not done hardly any river fishing for 20 yrs or so love to try it again see if it still work;s on the Severn. Avon Teme or any river that cotains chub.Chub i'll eat anything from Maggot's worm's wasp grub slug's snails lampreys, bread paste etc.

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Yup, I've seen chub taken on float-fished sprats on the Thames.

The deadliest bait I've ever used for them is freelined slugs, but after about October you can't find them. Every chub in the vicinity of a slug will often race for it, and it don't matter what colour slug they are either. If you don't keep out of sight though, they'll shy away. I thought of freezing some maybe one year to try in the winter.

Apparently native British crayfish are even deadlier, but as they are nearly extinct, I've never tried them. The softbait shop are hopefully releasing an artificial crayfish in February, so that might be worth a try, perhaps dipped in a fishy shrimpy flavour.

I always found a nice stilton and plain flour paste good in Winter, but u need to watch it doesn't get too hard on the hook. The cheese paste trend now is to use frozen shortcrust pastry instead of just flour and to colour it red.
 
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well pikey i would say keep it simple 6lb line to a size 6 pinch swanshots on the line according to the flow big lump of breadflake or crust mash as an attractor and be mobile[:)][:)]
 

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I start at the top of my length (usually about quarter to half a mile of river) with a bucket of liquidised bread and walk down throwing in a handful as I go, then I sit at the bottom peg and set up my rod, couple of swan shot on a paternoster 12 to 36 inches above a size 4 hook.

I then walk carefully back to the top where I first put in my feed and creep to the edge. I put on a matchbox size piece of flake and cast it into the flow and let the current bring it round, If I haven't had a bite in 15 minutes I move down to my next swim,

after each 15 minute period, or after catching, I bung in another handful of bread and walk down to the next swim.

I usually have at least one good sized chub (3lb+)on the first walk through the length, and usually pick up one or two more the second time through.

I've also had barbel and carp and even trout. Try it, it's good fun.
 
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Phil you beat me to it.
Alternativly pile all the mashed bread in at the top of the stretch and allow it to work its way down.
Go for a smoke or a drink and give it 30 to 60 mins before starting to fish. Then work down the stretch with either legered or float fished flake.
If you need to introduce liquidised bread on the bottom then a bait droppers the tool for the job.
Leighton I have some jelly craw fish from the states if you want to try one of these drop me an email or PM, with your addy and I'll put it in the post to you.

chill out go fishing

 

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Another alternative hook bait are Mackeral Chunks, Archie and myself have had some good results using them. Feed a few loose chunks as you do with ground bait and fish with a chunk on the hook, it works quite well in winter or summer, Chub seem to like it.

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quote:Originally posted by leighton

Apparently native British crayfish are even deadlier, but as they are nearly extinct, I've never tried them. The softbait shop are hopefully releasing an artificial crayfish in February, so that might be worth a try, perhaps dipped in a fishy shrimpy flavour.

Why wait? www.basspro.com or www.cabelas.com and search for craws or crawfish or even crayfish. Many have scent put in when they are made.




And this really is a soft plastic lure. Designed by a fella from Louisianna named Shoestring Dubios - raised where they have lots and lots of crayfish and lots and lots of fish that enjoy them. It truly does "bubble" for a while after sinking just like a live cray will.


Or if you happen to be a fly angler (or just like to use flies for lures)






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Thanks Newt.
I will certainly look into these, after I've tried the ones from esox.20. I like the look of the one with bubbles! I read that chub will madly attack crayfish even if they live in a river which has none in it.
 

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how do you fish these plastic crayfish as a normal static bait or do you jerk them with a spinning rod set up.

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I've not tried them yet, but personally I'd fish like you're meant to fish a live crayfish - freelining it in the current and twitching it back and forth slowly across the bottom. That's how I fish slugs and interestingly you can catch 3 or 4 chub off the same one, even though by then its completely dead and looks nothing like when it's fresh. [xx(]

Don't know about how well these artificial craws will work in winter though, as traditionally live ones are a summer bait. Got to be worth a try when the water's clearer though. [8D]
 
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Lid had it. Movement usually and I normally fish them from just before it warms up enough for the real ones to start moving around and quit when the last of them have retired for the winter.

That's not to say you couldn't pick up fish when it is too cold for them to be out but less likely I'd imagine. Similar to the way that lobs work best right after a rain when there are a good many washed into the water.

The hook pattern I'd suggest with these and most other soft plastics is one I'm not sure you can get over there but if not, BassPro and Cabelas both do lots of mail order. The design has a little kink near the eye to help hold the soft plastic on and the shape is such that a hook run thru the body and out the top will lie very close along the lure. Fewer snag problems that way.

This EWG (extra wide gap) from Gamakatsu is typical. With a cray you'd rig it so the eye was at the tail and with just the ring/eye showing a little. Tie the hook on the line and then put the craw on the hook.



And I like a carolina rig best with craws. Small sliding weight (adjust for current flow and increase if faster) on the mainline followed by a bead to protect the knot. Hooklength to suit yourself but at least 6 inches and the craw lure will move around off the bottom when you twitch it like a real craw does when scooting around.

For most areas a normal "bullet weight" works fine. If the area is rocky, I prefer a sliding weight shaped more like an American football but slightly rounded ends. Doesn't tend to hang in rock as much.

Another good option for these is to rig them on a "stand up" jig head. One designed so when on the bottom, the hook sticks pretty much straight up. Like these. The right one will stand up just from weight distribution of the head. The left one will stand up when there is any line pressure.





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Dave, have you ever tried a couple of pieces of sweet corn?
The loose feed holds the bottom quite well even in a swift
flow on a gravel bed. Even better using an open end feeder
blocking the corn in with a dry mixed bread crumb ground bait
at either end.
 

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Hi all -- Well on my local River Tees, a small cage feeder with liqiudised bread 5lb line straight through with a small hooklength say 6 to 12 inches on a size 6 or 8 hook with flake...does wonders for ol Al Jolson.....< chub >......[;)]

Cheers....

MOOKIE.....[:D][:D][:D][:D]
 

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An alternative to bread mash is FRESH bread put through the wife's food proccesor it comes out like crumb because the bread is fresh it holds together without wetting first in the water it it travels straight through snag's and cant actually feed the chub
replace ssg with a new shot called L.G. (drennen make these) each shot weigh's 3.2grams so its quite weighty place on line 12-18 inches above hook (size 6-10) crust or flake swung out and allowed to come back under overhanging tree's or close to snags not only encourages chub to take with confidence (no anyoing little plucks ) it also helps to sort out bigger fish you need to feed all the time you are fishing but with bread at three loaves for 99p at morrisons you can fish all day for a quid, this method belongs to martin james bbc radio lancashire and has worked for me and my mates for the last three seasons and as they say in yorkshire if it aint broke don't fix it so ill be using it for years to come hope this helps mate[8D]
 

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boilies are great for chub but if you need a decent bait during winter try luncheon meat. my friend also uses bread paste which he catches loads on. trout pellet should also work both as a groundbait and a hookbait


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