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2. I mean hookbaits. On the occasion I have gone to fisheries I have taken... maggots, worms, bread, corn, meat, spicy meat, krill paste, bloodworm paste, mussels, prawns, cockles, pellets....

Was wondering if you can give them too much choice 🤔
No you give yourself too much choice. All this will do is put confusion and doubt in your mind. All day long you will be wondering if you have the right bait on the hook. Better by far to limit your baits and learn to use them effectively.

Yesterday it was as complicated as it gets for me, five hookbait choices. Maggot, pinkie, corn and expanders in 2 and 4 mil. In Summer the choice for a commercial gets easier. Corn and expanders in 4 and 6 mil. These are all pole baits. For the feeder in Summer it will be hard pellet, 6 and 8 mil and corn. Winter corn and dead reds.

Yesterday quickly became a small bait day with pinkie and 2 mil expander catching all my fish.
 

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I never used to add molehill to groundbait, preferring leem for that sort of work. I did use molehill when not wanting to use any groundbait. Giving the fish a bed of feed to sit over without the spooking effect groundbait could have on a cold, clear river or canal. So it could be when fishing choppy for Perch or joker for Ruffe and Perch on those hard days.
No feed content apart from the loose offerings I’d put in it.

Unless fish eat very small stones😂
 

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Never used molehill soil, in terms of bait choice usually a max of 4 for any one session, two that wriggle, two that don't.
This weekend just gone maggots, worms, corn and prawn.
Next time out looks like a canal trip so maggots, worms, bread and hemp.
 

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I can remember Ken seeing me dig some worms. His advice at that time was “don’t take anything else, or you won’t give them a fair trial” how right he was, it took nearly 2 hours before I had a bite but I ended up with some cracking tench from a hard venue. I would have switched to maggot after ten minutes if I’d had some with me.
 

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I believe that the same apples with tackle and methods Dave.
There will be some anglers that will take everything they have and chop and change so regularly they never give the method/swim/bait a chance to work.
See it quite a bit on our pools and I will be building a couple of swims towards the middle ledge and the margin and once I start to catch on the one you can guarantee that some of the other anglers will abandon the swim they have been feeding and try to catch from the same areas that I have. (ledge/margin -and not my peg, but some do try- bloody wannabe Carpers :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.
They either start hammering the bait in or cast all over the swims trying to find the fish.
Its usually the "all the gear no idea" brigade and all they have to do is ask & watch.
Will help anyone if they are civil.
 

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2. I mean hookbaits. On the occasion I have gone to fisheries I have taken... maggots, worms, bread, corn, meat, spicy meat, krill paste, bloodworm paste, mussels, prawns, cockles, pellets....

Was wondering if you can give them too much choice 🤔
You fishing ? Or waiting for Delia Smith to turn up and make you a meal 😃
I will start perusing the Goshawks menu soon to see what you will be buying me . 😳
 

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I can remember Ken seeing me dig some worms. His advice at that time was “don’t take anything else, or you won’t give them a fair trial” how right he was, it took nearly 2 hours before I had a bite but I ended up with some cracking tench from a hard venue. I would have switched to maggot after ten minutes if I’d had some with me.
A common problem with poleitis on feeder venues. If you have it bad, even though you know you will come nowhere, you will go on the pole after fishing the feeder for ten minutes😉.
I still have a problem with Casters. Quite happy to feed them, but fish them? 🤯
 

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A common problem with poleitis on feeder venues. If you have it bad, even though you know you will come nowhere, you will go on the pole after fishing the feeder for ten minutes😉.
I still have a problem with Casters. Quite happy to feed them, but fish them? 🤯
Because of confidence catching on them as hook bait?.....It's the price of them that spooks me in the quantity I'd need them for feed!:oops::ROFLMAO: (unless you 'turn' your own)
 

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Because of confidence catching on them as hook bait?.....It's the price of them that spooks me in the quantity I'd need them for feed!:oops::ROFLMAO: (unless you 'turn' your own)
Confidence is my problem. “Has it been shelled, or did I break it myself”😂 But you’re right, cost is ridiculous. I’ve moved over to pellet for every time I would have used Caster.
 

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Confidence is my problem. “Has it been shelled, or did I break it myself”😂 But you’re right, cost is ridiculous. I’ve moved over to pellet for every time I would have used Caster.
It's getting the same with worm, especially if you're on a few.:oops:...'Worm time' can see me doing a kilo to remain competitive through the feeder or on the pole, but at least they'll keep unlike casters....

.......And don't get me started on groundbait and leams!:love::ROFLMAO:
 

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You fishing ? Or waiting for Delia Smith to turn up and make you a meal 😃
I will start perusing the Goshawks menu soon to see what you will be buying me . 😳
Do me a favour mark. Buy a Preston pellet pump and put it in your box. I need one of those. (Unused).

Thanks 😊
 

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It's getting the same with worm, especially if you're on a few.:oops:...'Worm time' can see me doing a kilo to remain competitive through the feeder or on the pole, but at least they'll keep unlike casters....

.......And don't get me started on groundbait and leams!:love::ROFLMAO:
When I first packed up matchfishing it felt like I was’nt going to catch without having a kilo of worms😂. But,gradually, I found that Bream are quite happy to feed on pellet and corn whilst I just have a hook pack of dendras for the hook. I use quite a bit of dead reds aswell.
The waters I tend to fish see so little pressure I don’t need specialised rigs and baits don’t get blown. It‘s only the Carp lads that have those problems😂.
 

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Do me a favour mark. Buy a Preston pellet pump and put it in your box. I need one of those. (Unused).

Thanks 😊
Mine has plenty of use ,I will show you how to use it ready for when you buy your own . ( You supply the pellets)
 

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Because of confidence catching on them as hook bait?.....It's the price of them that spooks me in the quantity I'd need them for feed!:oops::ROFLMAO: (unless you 'turn' your own)
sadly ... to turn your own casters you need c. 1.5 times the quantity of maggots... so the price isn’t that ridiculous!
Ivan wrote that you needed a gallon of maggot to turn c. 3 pints of “fresh” casters ... but I’m a lot tighter than that!

Confidence is my problem. “Has it been shelled, or did I break it myself”😂 But you’re right, cost is ridiculous. I’ve moved over to pellet for every time I would have used Caster.
on many natural venues you don’t need a lot of caster. but I’ve never been as confident with caster on the lead (preferring a cocktail bait such as worm and caster)

When I first packed up matchfishing it felt like I was’nt going to catch without having a kilo of worms😂. But,gradually, I found that Bream are quite happy to feed on pellet and corn whilst I just have a hook pack of dendras for the hook. I use quite a bit of dead reds aswell.
The waters I tend to fish see so little pressure I don’t need specialised rigs and baits don’t get blown. It‘s only the Carp lads that have those problems😂.
It seems a far cry from when we were first using chopped worm in the late 80s on the canal ... where 10 lobbies would last you two matches! we fished redworms over a single minced up lobby, and fished it out before refeeding.
 

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When I first packed up matchfishing it felt like I was’nt going to catch without having a kilo of worms😂. But,gradually, I found that Bream are quite happy to feed on pellet and corn whilst I just have a hook pack of dendras for the hook. I use quite a bit of dead reds aswell.
The waters I tend to fish see so little pressure I don’t need specialised rigs and baits don’t get blown. It‘s only the Carp lads that have those problems😂.
You're right in what your say with other bulk baits, but as you know prior and after breeding and autumn time fish getting ready for cooler months, worm is normally the king bait....(y)
 

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You're right in what your say with other bulk baits, but as you know prior and after breeding and autumn time fish getting ready for cooler months, worm is normally the king bait....(y)
Bang on. If I were still matchfishing I’d never be substituting worm.
 

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Those quantities for good casters are not right, too much wastage....Ivan was pulling your plonker!:ROFLMAO:
It was written ten years before I started fishing ... aiming to get the freshest bait (ie. The turn on the Friday night for a Saturday match) .... so wouldn’t be far out.
with shrinkage of fish fed maggot and a few skins, I reckon my 3 to 2 ratio is more likely.
 
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