Autumn flavours

[AdeB]

What type, if any, do you use in in Autumn? i.e. Fruity, Spicy etc

 

[ukzero1]

I generally go for spicy as I find the fish round here are starting to switch over, but it depends on what I'm targeting. Curry powder in the maggots seem to work well for the silvers.

 

[Arry]

Turmeric for Roach... chilli hemp as an attractor for carp... pepperami/polony meat for chub...worms for perch

 

[Neil ofthe nene]

Never been into flavours, certainly not with hookbaits. I don't see the point as the first time the fish tastes the flavour is after it has taken the bait. Hopefully by then I have set the hook.

 

[rudd]

Never been into flavours, certainly not with hookbaits. I don't see the point as the first time the fish tastes the flavour is after it has taken the bait. Hopefully by then I have set the hook.

I suspect they taste or rather 'receive signals' from a bait from some distance away.
Baits whilst sea fishing get washed out after between 10/15 mins - I fish East Anglian coast which is dirty coloured most of the time and we relie on bait scent rather than sight.

 

[Neil ofthe nene]

While a flavoured bait will leak its flavour I am not convinced fish will target that one particle in amongst unflavoured feed. One 4 or 2 mil flavoured pellet is unlikely to stand out when surrounded by multiple similar feed pellets.

Sea fishing is different as you rarely if ever put in feed. So yes a single large bait leaking flavour will set a scent trail to that bait.

 

[Total]

While a flavoured bait will leak its flavour I am not convinced fish will target that one particle in amongst unflavoured feed. One 4 or 2 mil flavoured pellet is unlikely to stand out when surrounded by multiple similar feed pellets.........

Is this why you prefer to suspend your wafter type hook bait a hook length above your feeder and not in the usual conventional manner amongst the feed?

 

[Neil ofthe nene]

No, just ignorance. I didn't realise that wafters should sit on the feed just about critically balanced. I just put them on a hair, saw that they wanted to float and thought that was what they were meant to do.

As it caught me fish, winning one match doing it I have just carried on.

 

[notneeded]

Neil
Ignorance is no defence ,should have know better ????

 

[Maesknoll]

Never been into flavours, certainly not with hookbaits. I don't see the point as the first time the fish tastes the flavour is after it has taken the bait. Hopefully by then I have set the hook.

I must admit, I have never found flavours to make any difference to hook bait, all of my best days have come to either plain pellets, paste, meat, maggots, casters or worms. I think groundbaits can make some difference and I used to use turmeric on maggots when I fished rivers, but that was every maggot, not just the hookers, but I’m not convinced that made much difference, chrysodine bronze maggots were usually better.

 

[Dusty]

I must admit, I have never found flavours to make any difference to hook bait, all of my best days have come to either plain pellets, paste, meat, maggots, casters or worms. I think groundbaits can make some difference and I used to use turmeric on maggots when I fished rivers, but that was every maggot, not just the hookers, but I’m not convinced that made much difference, chrysodine bronze maggots were usually better.

likewise, other than using the F1 micros as standard all my bait is unflavoured.

 

[squimp]

I can’t remember the last time I used maggots that were not flavoured. Probably about 1986.

about the only unflavoured bait that I use is a worm and of course that is flavoured if you are a fish.

for those of you that don’t ‘get’ flavours try and find some of Archie Braddock’s old writings. His additives were (still are) really effective. You can actually play tunes on the fish by changing the amount of flavour you put into the swim. On the other hand some can repel fish at high concentrations.

there are probably 40 or 50 different bottles of flavour in my fishing shed. It is interesting to note that the shed smells differently at different time’s of the year. That is related to the volatility of the flavour and partly explains why different flavours work at different times of the year and in varying river conditions.

as a rule of thumb, we use sweet and fruit flavours in warm water and ‘hot’ flavours in colder water....I could write a book on it !

 

[Capt Birdseye]

I hope it’s not a sign of things to come but I’ve had the best October’s fishing I’ve ever had, still catching well on plain 4mm and micro pellets. Are the fish bulking up for a bad winter??

 

[Maesknoll]

I can’t remember the last time I used maggots that were not flavoured. Probably about 1986.

about the only unflavoured bait that I use is a worm and of course that is flavoured if you are a fish.

for those of you that don’t ‘get’ flavours try and find some of Archie Braddock’s old writings. His additives were (still are) really effective. You can actually play tunes on the fish by changing the amount of flavour you put into the swim. On the other hand some can repel fish at high concentrations.

there are probably 40 or 50 different bottles of flavour in my fishing shed. It is interesting to note that the shed smells differently at different time’s of the year. That is related to the volatility of the flavour and partly explains why different flavours work at different times of the year and in varying river conditions.

as a rule of thumb, we use sweet and fruit flavours in warm water and ‘hot’ flavours in colder water....I could write a book on it !

What are you relating this to, for me it’s purely from a match situation, I know many of the carp anglers use flavourings and additives, but in my experience, in a match situation, it makes very little difference, as to win the match, you have to have the numbers of fish in the peg (or at least the area) to start with and once you get them in numbers and competing for food, they will quite happily take baits that have no flavour or additives.
Is it the timescale?
Do these flavours work better on a longer session, where you are trying to draw fish in?- obviously in a match, there are people either side trying to do the same, surely if a flavour or additive was that effective, someone would hit on it and win every match.

 

[ukzero1]

Do these flavours work better on a longer session, where you are trying to draw fish in?- obviously in a match, there are people either side trying to do the same, surely if a flavour or additive was that effective, someone would hit on it and win every match.

But not all flavours work on all waters. At times I flavour maggots and it works fine on the club waters, yet use it on a fishery a couple of miles away and it's a blank, they just don't want to know. Just because these top anglers say.."Get on to this or that flavour..." doesn't mean it's going to work for you. You buy a bottle of this or that and it doesn't work so you slag it off, yet it may well work at another fishery. Strawberry flavour doesn't work on our club waters for example, and yet other fisheries do quite well on it.

 

[Tinca Steve]

Do you like the same flavoured food every day of your life ? Session fishing I use a slightly lower concentration than day fishing . Spread of flavour is what matters, if the water os dead still I would up the concentration a tiny bit but with a tow on the flavour will drift farther, you only need a very little flavour and you don't need to be able to smell it but the fish most certainly will.

 

[The Ginger Bread Man]

Buy Archie Braddock's bait book, it will open your eyes a little more.
Punch fishing? Try punched garlic bulb ?

JonJoe

 

[Silver fan 82]

Buy Archie Braddock's bait book, it will open your eyes a little more.
Punch fishing? Try punched garlic bulb ?

JonJoe

Is the book available to buy? I bet it would be an interesting read.

 

[squimp]

I wasn’t talking about a match situation, just specialist fishing but mostly short sessions. We use all sorts of additives from supermarket powders right thru to carp type flavours and powders.

as an example fishIng on the Kennet trotting for chub. You could make changes to the amount of flavour on the maggots (a Braddock liquid additive) and it would have an immediate impact on the catch rate.

ano example Stillwater feeder fishing for tench. 1 rod on flavoured maggots , other rod unflavoured and the catch rate was 3:1 in favour of the flavoured bait, despite reversing the casting locations after every fish.

ano example testing a flavour (for tench). My mate caught more than 20 to 9lb plus in a few sessions. I caught 1 in adjacent swims fishing the same amount of time. And he would be the first to admit that I’m a better technical angler than he is......

ano example 12 blokes on a day ticket section of the Hants Avon. 11 blanked on an evil winters day, the other one caught 2 big perch on flavoured maggots. Of course they might just live in that swim - but I’m convinced the ‘smell’ helped.

 

[smiffy]

I have no faith in any flavour apart from sweet anything for Bream. Feeding and setting up competition for food is the most important thing. Get that right and flavour is irrelevant.
I’ve heard about many flavours down the years and maybe in the specimen world they may have some impact. Although I’m more inclined to think that the thinking angler will always do better than one who thinks he has the magic flavour??
In matchfishing,I’ve yet to see a flavour that will outfish good feeding.