Are newcomers missing out on vital skills?

Arry

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Tbh I don't reckon much on your chances of haggling down a £35 day ticket... even if you negotiated a rate for a coaching session, there ain't going to be that much off and once the pupil gets onto the water on his/her own, how long do you think they'll stay in the sport at those prices
 

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Every time that these discussions pop up, I can't help but think how indifferent the average angler might be in regards to the recruitment of new anglers.
As a private individual, getting newcomers into the sport does not really concern me at all. In some respects, greater numbers of anglers may actually be detrimental to me. I'm not especially keen on money that I've contributed to involuntarily (licence fees) being used for anything beyond the improvement of existing angling for current anglers.

However, I can understand that clubs need recruitment to guarantee their future survival. Many angling associated businesses need recruitment to ensure their long term profitability. For that reason, the onus should be on them, not Joe Bloggs, to provide whatever funding might be required for recruitment.
I don't wish them ill, but the future income of the tackle trade, commercial venues, angling guides and coaches, is no concern of mine. I can choose to pay for their services if I wish, but I'm less than keen on contributing to them involuntarily.
Best post on this subject by a country mile. Couldn't agree more.
When I was a kid we bought a Woolies spinfisher fibre glass rod and 333 reel and went on the river fishing for anything that could swim.
That led to a trip to the tackle shop where advice was plentiful. Then that led to joining a local club to fish local waters or the canal with your mates. Then before you knew it, you were working, going out on the razz and courting.
You didn't need a coach in order to learn how to fish back then, just as you don't need one now.
Anyone advocating that fact are just doing so to make money out of it.

And to add. There is more information available now to any new comer than there ever was when I was a kid so there really is no excuse for anyone not to know what to do, or how to do it nowadays.
 

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When I was coaching the cost of the day ticket was part of the fee... but that said down here in Estuary land all the parents wanted was a bloody baby sitter
 

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How the hell can £35 be negotiable - it's set at that price for a reason :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

"The fact that it costs "£35" or 35 pence is irrelevant."
Are you for real Mike or on a wind up now - cost put's off many adults let alone children,teenagers,single parent families the elderly etc etc
You have lost a grasp of reality mate
 

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It’s a shame that a thought provoking article about newcomers losing out on some of the traditional skills has descended into seven pages of repetitious argument about accessibility for youngsters.

When we were kids we found ways and means of fishing and the odds were stacked against us all the way (in terms of tackle we could buy and methods available to us). Anyone in this country who wants to fish will find a way to do so whatever their age.

The OP was about anyone coming fresh into fishing not doing the old “apprenticeship”. The point I was making in discussing what it was like when we were kids was to point out the advancement in tackle and methods. It is now possible to come into fishing and specialise in whatever area you want to. If you want to fish on a level platform on a stocked and managed water with facilities why is there a need to learn river or canal skills? Provided people are coming into the sport and enjoying themselves that is surely all that matters. No-one is really missing out on anything by not learning skills they have no inclination to use anyway.

The last year has been good for the sport in many ways. Our local clubs have got quite a number of new members and there were more people on our commercials. It’s all putting money in which helps to keep the clubs and businesses viable and allows for more investment.
 

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Tbh I don't reckon much on your chances of haggling down a £35 day ticket... even if you negotiated a rate for a coaching session, there ain't going to be that much off and once the pupil gets onto the water on his/her own, how long do you think they'll stay in the sport at those prices
It's just another side of angling, they do I can assure you. There are those that will. Not all but that applies to coarse fishing as well.
 

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"It’s a shame that a thought provoking article about newcomers losing out on some of the traditional skills has descended into seven pages of repetitious argument about accessibility for youngsters."

Sorry Mark - next time we post we will run it by you for approval first :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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Making money out of fishing is hard... some can some can't... but then its just a job... if you see it as vocational fair play to you, otherwise I guarantee that soon enough you'll walk away from it... I did it for nearly 11 years... bolshie parents, snotty kids, red tape, no support from clubs or the EA/AT, replacing busted kit, end of the day I walked away...
 

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When I was coaching the cost of the day ticket was part of the fee... but that said down here in Estuary land all the parents wanted was a bloody baby sitter
When guiding the day ticket price is always paid. When coaching it should be waivered. It always is in my experience.
 

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How the hell can £35 be negotiable - it's set at that price for a reason :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

"The fact that it costs "£35" or 35 pence is irrelevant."
Are you for real Mike or on a wind up now - cost put's off many adults let alone children,teenagers,single parent families the elderly etc etc
You have lost a grasp of reality mate
Then why are the fisheries I go to very often busy, sometimes full with regulars.
 

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I'm right alongside Sam Vimes on this... at 62 I really am not interested in bringing more people into the sport... to be honest, 11 years of strife trying to do it almost made me walk away from something I loved... lifes too short to waste on bolshie parents, kids and red tape( health and safety assessments on every swim.... really....????) Get out and enjoy your fishing... yer a long time dead
 

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How the hell can £35 be negotiable - it's set at that price for a reason :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

"The fact that it costs "£35" or 35 pence is irrelevant."
Are you for real Mike or on a wind up now - cost put's off many adults let alone children,teenagers,single parent families the elderly etc etc
You have lost a grasp of reality mate
If you read the list properly it is £35 to take four fish home. Stocking quality fish costs money. You can also fish all day and catch as many fish as you want for £12.50 if you release them again. When you consider that you don’t need any bait and no tackle besides a rod, reel and line game fishing can be pretty cheap. Trout fisheries also often allow accompanied youngsters to fish for free.
 

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It's £35 whether you take the fish home or not - there are not many Coarse anglers who will pay that for a days fishing.
This is the largest fishing forum in the UK and yet it doesn't have it's own fly fishing section - doesn't that tell you something?
How many threads are started on here with fly fishing as the topic and how long do they last?
If you can't incite a response on a forum like this that has multi-discipline anglers then what makes you think that young anglers would be interested in fly fishing?
 

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It's £35 whether you take the fish home or not - there are not many Coarse anglers who will pay that for a days fishing.
This is the largest fishing forum in the UK and yet it doesn't have it's own fly fishing section - doesn't that tell you something?
How many threads are started on here with fly fishing as the topic and how long do they last?
If you can't incite a response on a forum like this that has multi-discipline anglers then what makes you think that young anglers would be interested in fly fishing?
I have quoted coarse and game venues on this thread.
Largest 'coarse' fishing forum. Other discipline forums are available.
 

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Because you used it as your example as an accessible fishery.
They are Mike but we are on this one and discussing access for young anglers.
If coarse angling is difficult then what makes you think that game would be easier?
 

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Not abusive at all - you have a bit of a history of making comments if you don't like the way that threads are going-a reference to politics was the last time.
Just put me on ignore and you won't have to stress about it again (y)
 

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Because you used it as your example as an accessible fishery.
They are Mike but we are on this one and discussing access for young anglers.
If coarse angling is difficult then what makes you think that game would be easier?
Because admittedly as I said, it was the only one that sprang to mind. several of the coarse venues you mentioned I am aware of but have not visited. How much do Carp venues charge for a 24 hour visit. Some of those, I am sure are out of the pocket of youngsters, but probably not their parents. Plenty of youngsters are learning Carp fishing.
 
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