Any members running electric cars?

Philocalist

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Not sure yet which way it will go, but I'm looking at a new car shortly - may be a replacement (most likely) but may also keep the old car - a lovely old, low mileage Jag, just because I like it so much :)
I'm spending way too much time (as you do) looking at models and specs etc, and feeling very much drawn towards an electric car (NOT a hybrid) particularly as quite a lot now will see out 250 miles plus from a single charge costing just a few quid on a home charger - and that would exceed by some margin the typical weekly milage I would expect to do in it (currently). Cost-wise (for fuel), its a no-brainer, particularly when you consider that 250 miles of deisel in the current car will set be back about £65 / week.

So - are there any members actually running an electric car - I'd really like to hear opinions if possible from actual owners of cars (rather than anecdotes or links to stuff on Google etc) - what's the experience like overall? I see much grumbling about public charging - is it justified, or maybe very localised? What experiences do you have of installing a home charger and using it etc (or are you managing perfectly OK using public charges) etc etc?
With the home chargers, whats the score with electrical connections? I realise it a specialist job to instal one, but I'm trying to get me head around where I might locate one, and consequently, from there, how and where they will connect it to the domestic power supply - the wall I would prefer to put it on may be problematic - its well placed (and coincidently, the charger would be located within a metre or so of the electric meter, in a cabinet in the wall), but internally, there is no power at all along that wall - no sockets, or even light switches, until I get right to the back of the property where there is no more than a single light switch adjacent to the kitchen door.
To someone (me!) who mixes with electricity only slightly better than water, the logical, simple thing to do would be to wire the charger in some way at a point close to the meter, i.e. after the meter, but before cabling enters the property, if that makes sense?
 
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I actually bought a 14' plate Jaguar XFR as the antithesis to all this electric nonsense. Glorious 5 litre V8 and 510BHP.

Sadly it was crashed into after owning it only a week :LOL: Still waiting for the bodyshop to fix it after 7+ weeks now.


To be honest it was what i consider to be the last shot for me at a midlife-crisis car before all the electrical ones become mainstream.


To be fair now is probably the time to make the most of electric, with a caveat. Eventually there will be some levy on electrical cars (cost per mile?) due to the loss of revenues from the exhorbitant VAT and Duty on dinosaur juice. So the next 5-10 years would probably be the best time to own one.


**Big caveat, if you own one outside of it's warranty, replacing faulty batteries can be hellishly expensive.
 

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I have a colleague who has an electric (company) car and has said it now costs close to £400 a month to charge it.( It was less than half that). I have a self charging hybrid (company car) which costs about £35-£37 to fill and I get 400-450 miles from that which is just under a weeks worth, so probably £150-£180 a month. For me, the best option at the moment.
 

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I don't there's many where I live, as I've not seen one car on the charging bay, in a car park where I regularly walk past.
 
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I’m just implementing a workshop to work on them both full electric and hybrid. It’s an interesting time for the motor trade, especially as an independent. The people I’ve talked to have all been pleased with them, the secondhand market value will be there interesting one, if ever there was a train to be on a pcp plan there was it, as at least you have a guaranteed end of period amount.
 

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I have one and will post on it later when I get to my computer take to long from my phone, For me it's great I appreciate they are not for everyone.
 

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Personally I don't think all electric (ie plug in battery charging) is the answer it is OK while there are relatively few on the road but if demand on national grid and away from home charging facilities increases then there maybe problems. You just have to drive into any motorway service station and see how many cars are in the car park....if all of those cars were electric they would all want to plug in for a top up charge while they eat that would mean either an awful lot of chargers or awfully long ques. Also the cost of charging will have to rise due to the loss of revenue from tax on fuel and road tax based on emissions. Add to that the range is not great, a friend has one that quotes a range of 250 miles per charge but he says in the real world with lights, heater/aircon etc switched on it is more like 150 miles in the winter and around 200 miles in the summer. I have a feeling that in the not to distant future the current crop of electric cars will go the same way as Betamax. I may be tempted with a self charging Hybrid as I have had a few of these as hire cars recently and they are OK and relatively cheap to run without having the worry about range and finding a working charger. However my next car is probably going to be a last hurrah for petrol and will either be a Mercedes C63 estate or a BMW 335 estate.....but then again I don't do high personal mileage, only around 4-5k per year my very high business mileage is all done in hire cars
 

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Just to confuse the issue further, looking online you sharp realise that many sites offering advice - even those you would expect to be worthy of note - AA / RAC / Which etc - are already way out of date, and apart from that, much of the 'official' advice on offer (particularly re fitting home charging points) is either being conveniently ignored, or simply outdated.
Granted, you can re-calculate yourself, but I've yet to find anywhere offering advice on running costs who has factored in the price hikes in electricity yet, and the battery specs and charging times being bandied about are way out, compared to what is now actually available - a given size battery taking over 10 hours to charge, for example, when the reality is that the same size battery, with the same type of charger, will now hit 80% capacity in well under an hour, evidently.
Understandably, legislation is in place with respect to fitting chargers at home, particularly with placement. Apparently - can't face the main road, not within 2 metres of a public path or road, etc - yet within about 400m of the house I can find at least 5 recent installations, ALL facing straight at the road, 4 well within the 2 metre limit - I can touch one of them just walking along the public footpath! Trying to get accurate info you can rely on is a nightmare!
 

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Not for me at the moment, or the foreseeable future. It just doesn’t stack up, just like Air, or groundsource heat pumps.
 

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Right back home so as a actual user pro,s and con's of an electric car





Pro's

Lots of grants about (or there was) for things like home charger fitting better off looking local to you if you are wanting one fitting close to your main meter they can be fitted directly to it. I have only used a public charger once in two years put £2 worth in just to make sure I got home so maybe thats what most people will do,


no road tax (at the moment )


about 80% cheaper to run ex, £60 for petrol/diesel £12 electric for same mileage these are my figures based on what I have seen on various websites, there is a video showing the current ratio using updated electricity but bear in mind the gas staition also pays more so petrol prices will rise accordingly so difficult at the moment to get a absolutly correct figure.


quieter, less polluting ,cheaper to service no oil change,no Cam belt to change (40,000 miles? No clutch to change and a lot less wear and tear on your brakes my car has a 7 year guarentee for the batteries so won,t be needing to replace them.


Can be charged at home just plug it in at night and you have a full tank of fuel so to speak every day if you wish. some companies do off peak rates for charging through the night making it even cheeper.


Great for running around town fuel wise every time you slow down your battery is charging .


Cons


Initial cost, though maybe not as much as we think considering what a same speck ICE car will cost,


you need to plan any long journey as charging points (and time) have to be taken into consideration, maybe plan charging around a meal?


The charging network has come on in leaps and bounds but still a lot to be done1.





they cannot go Vroom Vroom and annoy everyone, though colonel Boogie horns can be fitted (some will understand)





in general I used to live next to the M1 at Sheffield the pollution there was terrible as more cars come on to the roads something has to be done.


Mine is a joy to drive not for everyone but if you have the chance go for it.
 

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Tbh I don't know most of them are connected to China in some way or another so hard to get hold of I should think about 30 grand maybe cheaper but you can pay 25 grand for a petrol car with the same spec. Mine is a MG Ev which is made in China with parts made in Ukraine . They are the most reasonable quality one's.
 

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I reckon it's going to be years and years before they become the dominant force in cars.
 

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I like the idea of an electric car but can’t help feeling it’s evolving technology and would be already obsolete by the time you drive off the garage forecourt. That said I’m definitely thinking about one for my next motor.
 

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I really can't see how they're going to solve the "where to charge" problem. Round my way the majority of houses don't have off-street parking, nor the space to create any. Many houses front doors open onto the pavement.
There are streets and streets of places like this, and they are all chock-a-block with fossil fuel cars. Even if a massive community charging area were created it would certainly be too far away for comfort for most people.

Then there's folk like me who have practically no chance of ever stumping up enough cash/credit for a new'un. The second-hand market sounds like it has huge pitfalls even before it is properly established.

No. I think it is a flawed plan. The cynic in me thinks it is all about lining the pockets of the fat cats & politicians. Although I'm sure there are some well intentioned people promoting electric too.

Also, as has been said, the more people who go electric, the less revenue from fossil fuel drivers, so they'll have to rake that back in somehow. Electric won't be as cheap as chips for long.

Maybe the idea is to force the majority away from owning cars. We aren't that far from driverless "tap your phone" taxis already. Which could be all electric.

Or maybe something else will pop up. Hydrogen power has been mooted. I expect there are others on the horizon.

:unsure:
 

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I really can't see how they're going to solve the "where to charge" problem. Round my way the majority of houses don't have off-street parking, nor the space to create any. Many houses front doors open onto the pavement.
This is my problem too. I'm in a Victorian terrace house and I love it here, but the only parking is squeezing into whatever space i can find on the street.

I'm fully behind the idea of electric cars, and think it's great that the government is promoting them, but without a driveway I can't see how I can reliably charge it.
 

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I think over the next few years more and more charging points will appear to replace the petrol pumps as technology improves it will be just like going to the garage the once the profit margins make it worthwhile they will Pop up every where.
 

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I know you don't want a Hybrid ..but. I had to borrow a plug-In Kuga hybrid.

Cable was a doddle. Really long & 3-pin plug (there's a shorter one supplied as well for Electric charges when out & about). I charged it for about an hour and it said it could do 19 miles all electric (I think it's supposed to do 30 miles on just battery when fully charged).

But it's got a 2.5l petrol engine. Loads of oooomph. But should be thirsty??

I drove 220 miles and, according to the onboard computer, 110 was on petrol and 110 on electric only - because it's charging itself when on the go & braking etc. Overall average was stated as 66mpg. I'd put £20 in it to top up the petrol and I calculate it actually cost 22.6p/mile for the petrol only bit and not quite half of that overall. So at about something like 13p/mile it worked out less than the cost of my usual diesel. Not massively cheap but it meant I could go to restricted places/roads which the diesel couldn't - without paying a charge.

Another day even though the onboard computer said it couldn't do any miles on battery because there was no charge (I hadn't bothered to charge it) it did a load anyway because it was charging itself.

I didn't want to like it but it was surprising.

No 4x4 though !
 

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The technology needs to improve or something like Hydrogen
I had an outlander when they first came out. Company car so i saved on the tax. ( after having a freelander).
Was glad to get rid of it, perfect car for somebody who drove back and for to work, probably wouldnt have to fill up with petrol.
Hit the motorway and its a different matter. Roughly 44 miles to a full charge, then roughly 22 miles to the gallon in petrol. Company had stopped supplying them as they cost to much to run
 
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