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I have some interior walls to paint. The colour I am using is a pale primrose yellow, which is going over a darkish cream. The paint I am covering is in pretty good condition.
Is it worth putting on a first coat of white before I go to a couple of coats of the lemon, or should I just go straight to the lemon?
I don't need to make extra work for myself, but I would like a decent finish.
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Dave
 

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I would put a coat of white on first, if theres any defects in the wall fill and sand once wthe whire is dry, then 2 coats ofthe Primrose to finish, Job will be spot on. (y)
 

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OK, thanks both. I was hoping loads of people would say "no, you don't need to do that" ;)
 

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Sporty ya might get away with it mate but put 2 coats of the new colour on ?
 
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Forgive a slight tangent but someone I know is in a senior position in a large paint manufacturer and he told me that white gloss is designed to turn yellow over time to make us buy more paint!

Back on track, if the finish on the wall is good enough you won’t need a coat of white but as said it will probably help you in assessing the finish anyway so it’s probably better to do it properly.
 

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Re the gloss, stick with trade quality acrylic gloss to help with staying white or even better acrylic satin. We're being told in the trade now thet there will be no oild based paints by 2025. Not sure that will actually happen mind.
 

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I'd go straight on with two coats of pale lemon. Yellow is usually the weakest opacity, so a white undercoat is as likely to show through your new colour as the cream is.

You can go to the trouble of applying an undercoat, but you'd be better off applying a sealer/primer such as Zinsser Bulls eye to create a good base and barrier for the next two coats - it's faster to apply and dries in 30 mins.
 

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greys right about the zinsser paints

most of the refurbs that I have worked as a subbie on over the last few years (insurance works) are now specifying it as a first coat base, prior to finish coats
 

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you lot must have more money than sense. There is no need to base the wall out in white first . 2 coats of colour is all that is needed. If you use a colour that struggles to cover then just build the coats up its own colours .

Theres NO point in priming/ sealing the walls with zinsser if they are previously painted as the previous paint as already sealed them, by using zinser as a primer you are just throwing money away . If it was going on bare plaster then all you need is a cheap contract emulsion water right down .
As for insurance companies requiring that walls be zinsered prior to being painted . 9 time out of 10 the zinser never get applied . It either doesnt either make it to the job or it ends up in the decorators van and sold to his mates in the pub . The reason the insurers requested zinser was/ is to justify the high costs the quote for insurance jobs PLUS they have hit problems like putting cover mat paint over silk were it crazes up or greases ect being on the walls/ ceilings causing the new paints to cess up , but as i say most of the time a good painter will be able to see before he gets his tools out of his van if hes going to face this problems and if hes not he will miss the zinser coat out,

Its bull sugar that the paint manufactures are making paint yellow quicker as you have to repaint more often . The reason paint yellows is back in 2010 the EU made paint manufactures remove levels of VOC out of oil based paint . Buy doing this it removed a lot of the drying aids out of Gloss, which affected its UV tolerances . Todays paint does yellow quicker than pre 2010 but a main factor of todays paint is UV rays. If you paint a room with white gloss and its a well natural light it will slowly yellow and you will not see much difference from the old paints , BUT if you paint a room with no or very little UV rays then it will yellow very quickly . Rooms like cloak rooms, cupboards , toilets with no windows ect change the fastest. Also if you have ornaments ect on window cills and don't move them regularly the will discolour under them compared top the rest of the sill. ( if we get called back on on a customer care we can tell if the dust the cills regularly or not )

Im yet to find an acrylic gloss that will shine as good as oil based gloss. Most waterbased glosses will give you an eggshell finish at best . As for doing away with oil based paints. It will never happen. It was going to happen in 2015 then 2020 now 2025 . Even in countries like austrailia were its all waterbased the still have oil base but now its classed as a specialist product and painters cant charge more to use it as they call them selves specialist painters
 

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...The colour I am using is a pale primrose yellow, which is going over a darkish cream. The paint I am covering is in pretty good condition.
Is it worth putting on a first coat of white before I go to a couple of coats of the lemon...
Thanks
Dave

Hold on a minute.
First it's pale primrose, then it's lemon!
Not very good with our colours are we?
You need the assistance of someone who's a bit more sensitive.

And no, that wouldn't be me.
:cool:
 

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Magnolia or white, problem solved lol

Magnolia is so council

The only time we ever use magnolia now adays is on HA (housing ass social housing) . All the new build private houses that we work on now are white ceilings/ walls/ wood work
 

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Get a decorator in buddy:p
I know what you are saying Dave and a few years ago that would have been my first thought. Now I am older and have more time on m y hands I have been getting more into DIY. Although some of it is a pain, I do have quite a sense of satisfaction when I look at something that I have done and it looks OK.
 

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I know what you are saying Dave and a few years ago that would have been my first thought. Now I am older and have more time on m y hands I have been getting more into DIY. Although some of it is a pain, I do have quite a sense of satisfaction when I look at something that I have done and it looks OK.
Yes mate I agree with what you are saying and if the inclination is there, there is nothing like the satisfaction of a job well done.
 
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