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BLM are introducing arguments that have their origins hundreds of years ago to whip up support from poor, undereducated and underprivileged people who understandably try to blame anyone but themselves. If any other race did the same, you'd have people from every single country in the world seeking reparations from someone or other. Germany alone, would owe the western world trillions. Germans are a proud race, but neither you or I would be looking for such from them, would we?

There is no movement. I mean that literally too. The perceived rights of black people are utterly stationary. Not a single thing has been proposed that would actually address the root causes of what is currently going on, it's all just fluff. Why? Because there's little majority interest in doing so. Why? Because some black people need to sort themselves out at a community level first instead of blaming others for the predicament and pledging loyalty to a marxist organisation that seeks to bully and control. Outside of twitter etc, it's the subject of ridicule. There is no way that is helpful. Let alone riots. I mean, people participating in that must have absolutely zero awareness in their own self interest, let alone be entirely bereft of community values. Black rioters burning black owned shops. Seriously? What perception does that give off, yet there the BLM flags fly, and Socialist Worker billboards for that matter!

Forget corporations or politicians supporting BLM, thats flavour of the month support only. What black people need is public support, which they won't get as long as the far left are in charge, just ask Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders! It's not wanted. It's been seen before and such policies are now futile when it comes to attracting the electorate, whether the voter is left leaning, centrist or otherwise.

Black communities would be helped immensely if only it became as unfashionable to be a street gangster, as it eventually did to become a teddy boy in the 1960's. Both were born of deprived backgrounds, both were violent, both led to riots, both led to attempted political uprisings of some form. Theres little difference. Not that I'm suggesting black people are all street gangsters obviously, but if you go back to the teddy boy era, when there were of course many many black people in London too, you'd find it was overwhelming whites who were being stopped and searched!

Sometimes you just have to look to the future instead of to the past, to have any hope of progressing. In fact, I can't think of any way forward if you're always looking back.

Also, you can't make people support something they don't want to support, or try to embarass/harass them into it. That just makes you look bad. (not you, but you understand my meaning). Publicly you'll be shown support, but privately people will take the bullies to task, hence the conservative landslide.

To me, the underlying issue is poverty in certain communities and the tendency of those in poverty to participate in crime, for various reasons. It just so happens that at the moment, many deprived areas are populated by black and ethnic minority communities and they need to fight like hell to pull themselves out of it, making use of all the assistance available to do so. White communities had to do the same when the mines closed up north. Some managed, others didn't. The scars are still there to this day. It's all about what the individual can achieve with limited means.
 

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On another note, seeing as black lives matter more than any other, did anyone actually intervene to save a black life, did they try to stop the nasty white police officers killing a black man, or did they simply stand at the side of the road shouting at police officers, calling them names but doing **** all else to actually help?
In all honesty, you just couldn't do that in the US. If you interfere with a police officer in a situation like that, you'd be shot. No ifs, no buts. It's understandable that people filmed rather than trying to take direct action. Chauvin wasn't alone, there were other officers present and even if he had been alone, he would have drawn his gun and fired immediately if approached.

I have a little story about my interactions with US police.

I was pulled over once on the motorway just outside of Dallas on the way to the range, because of a broken brake light. I had a pistol in the glove box, one in a holster on my belt and another in the central arm rest plus a rifle in the back seat. In Texas, your car is considered an extension of your home, so you are legally entitled to defend it from attack or intrusion, using deadly force if necessary. As such, guns in cars are very common, particularly short barrel shotguns and pistols.

However, despite this, you better believe that before stopping I opened all the windows fully and kept my hands on the steering wheel. Once I stopped and saw him exit his vehicle, I shouted as loud as I could that I had several licenced firearms in the vehicle. My hands did not leave that steering wheel except to go directly out of the window, and only then when he had his gun trained on me and he instructed me to do so.

He had me explain locations of the firearms and understandably, was most concerned about the one on my hip which I had mentioned. As he was at the drivers window, he couldn't see it at all, so we waited for another car to arrive and approach from the other side. I was then asked to lift my shirt with my left hand. The officer on the right then removed it from my holster and unloaded it. Once that was done, I exited and we ended up just chatting about, well, the UK really.

He did apologise for being so confrontational but informed me that because I yelled about firearms, he had to escalate to a more involved procedure rather than a routine traffic stop, hence the drawn gun. We ended up talking about London, as most Texans think London is the only city in the UK :D

People in the UK just don't really understand the risk US police officers face and most of them are just normal guys trying to earn a crust and above all, get home at the end of every shift.

I wasn't bitter toward the officer that stopped me, even though he had pointed his service weapon directly at me. I understand he didn't know me from adam. His only inkling that I might be an OK citizen was that I informed him I had firearms on me before he approached, as best I could. Then again, I've since learned that such tactics are often used by serious criminals to lure the cops in before shooting at them!

Some people would have complained about the treatment I received and yes, it was terrifying. But I also understood the guy was trying to do his job, safely, in a country where every man and his dog has a gun on them. So when in Rome.........or Texas it seems.
 

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Black lives don't matter more than any other. It's just right now they have a big issue with subjugation and prejudice against them. That's why black lives matter.
But black lives don't matter to black people unless there is a white person involved.
If another black man or black police officers had contributed to George Floyd's death, other black people would have no doubt said, he must have done something to pee off another black man, or those black police officers were just doing their job, if he hadn't broken the law they wouldn't have stopped him in the first place. No doubt you wouldn't have heard any more about it.
But because it was a white police officer whos actions contributed to the death of a black man, suddenly every black person thinks every white person is racist and there is uproar around the world.
 

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This...

"A spokesperson for West Yorkshire Police said officers were forced to take action after the man had been seen acting aggressively, was removed twice from Trinity Leeds shopping centre by security staff and began drinking alcohol in breach of the Public Spaces Protection Order on Albion Street.

The force said officers spoke to him for more than eight minutes and attempted to establish his identity as a suspect for those offences, but he repeatedly refused to provide his details, which is an offence in these circumstances.



Then when officers tried to arrest him, he resisted, resulting in police using physical force and an 'incapacitant spray' to detain him.


The man was taken into custody on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly in a public place."


Drunks get arrested on a regular basis in Leeds, his skin colour is irrelevant but because some people saw his skin colour, THEY made it relevant.



"Black Lives Matter encouraged supporters to join the emergency demonstration tonight"

When and where do they encourage supporters to join demonstrations when it's 'black on black', shootings, stabbings, etc?
As posted above, BLM have one objective.
 
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BLM protesters descend on Leeds after black man 'pepper-sprayed' during arrest
BLM protesters descend on Leeds after black man 'pepper-sprayed' during arrest
If the report is accurate then the Police were justified in their actions.

I'm just wondering, the BLM have jumped on this straight away but I've not seen or heard any comments or rallying of support for Sasha Johnson, or the 14yr old boy murdered outside a McDonalds or the Hyde Park machete attacks or the endless "gangland" murders or even the BLM founder who quit over her mansions scandal using BLM? The daily stabbings in this once great country, one thing stands out with those crimes but the BLM only spout when it suits.

I don't understand that if I refer to a person as "black" I'm now a racist or using offensive language. So why "BLM" it should be named "POCLM" Persons Of Colour Lives Matter. Also if I use the "N" word I could lose my job/career (thanks to Boris its gone anyway), I will be labelled "racist" "bigot" etc but in RAP music the word is used freely without question.

People will disagree with me here but I do feel for the Police, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They do a difficult job with both hands tied behind their backs. If we are asleep at night and hear a noise downstairs and our family are asleep who do we call? Ghostbusters? Domino's pizza? 0898 blondes like it best? no......the Police!

I've mentioned this analogy in the past, I used to travel to MAN airport regular in the early hours of the morning, at the time the M60 had road closures as a "thick motorway" is built. I used to be on a diversion through Manchester, at the time I had a nice car at the time that was a popular choice for a car thief, I would be stopped by black (oops Officers of colour) and Asian officers, a quick ID check and a couple of questions and I was on my way, I always thanked them for stopping me and making sure the car hasn't been stolen while I'm asleep in bed. However, a neighbour to me drives a BMW like a bell end winding up motorists and when he is pulled over he bangs on about it's because the Police are racist as he is black etc etc blah blah blah blah.

I know a lot of people will disagree with me but yes there are bad Police but there are bad people in all professions.
 

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If Sasha johnson had been shot by a white man ( or white gang member ) I believe this country would be having protests and riots all summer long.
Msm would of loved it.
( and I don’t rule out another incident leading to such riots )
If a drunk getting arrested leads to a protest then what chance do we have.
Who would be a policeman in today’s world.
 

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For a thread that started as a discussion over whether an actress has to be the same skin colour as a historical character

its now evolving into a politically- racially sensative rant about percieved veiws and what ifs, as is common lately

much more along the same lines and it will be switched to the appropiate forum section rather than a mainstream publically viewed one as nothing posted in the last 24 hours as replies has anything to do with the original subject
 

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The UK was getting along quite nicely, OK we had some issues with race but we were addressing these maybe it was taking a little longer than some people would like but we were getting there. As a country we have lots of people of colour in high profile well paid jobs so the argument that the UK system is loaded towards the white race is more than a little shaky, it is more a case of the UK system being loaded towards the people that want to make something of them selves and is really more about work ethic than race, however there in lies the real problem as all people do not have the same work ethic. But what I see happening now is by following the lead of the USA and BLM we are putting this country back 20 years as the average guy in the street really didn't care about the colour of someone's skin but now it is being rammed down our throats everywhere we turn it is making people hyper sensitive about race and causing resentment from all sides. I can really see this all ending badly unless someone gets a grip and starts to reign things in a bit
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I was going to rebuff some of the biased comments posted since I was last on here, but in the interests of the thread, I'll go back to my critique of the original topic instead.

I actually watched a part of the TV series, I say 'a part' because I couldn't bear watching the whole thing. I watched most of the first episode, and found the acting passable, but the dialogue/script was terrible. Half way through, after having had enough, I switched to the last 30 mins of the final episode to see if they had changed the ending. They hadn't, and sadly they hadn't changed the quality of the script either. For the producer and director to say that no one could have played the lead better than Turner-Smith, was like me fishing an empty pond, and saying even Bob Nudd, couldn't have caught more!
After experiencing it first hand, my initial thoughts on the programme have, to me at least, been proven to be correct. The whole thing was a cynical attempt to ride on the coat tails of the popular 'black issue' movement, along with enforcing the 'strong female' type, to raise interest, and increase viewing figures. It's worked if the length of this thread, and others I've seen are anything to go by.

The portrayal of Anne and her brother as black was one thing, but I was intrigued to see what they did with the her daughter. To fit the picture, the future Queen, famous for her pale skin, and flame red hair, was shown as a young dark skinned, mixed race child, with black Afro style hair. Talk about artistic licence!

John.
 
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