Angling media good or bad?

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The Panther

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I wanted to get a discussion going, what do people think of the Angling media? My opinion is we have been poorly served by TV especially, in the past!

The magazines are good, but do they represent good value with many costing nearly a fiver?
New TV shows and channels seems to be the future, I have watched both Nash TV and OnlineFishing TV, thought allot of the content was really good still have a hang up about paying for shows online though....

So does anyone have any good recommendations best value mags/ TV shows exciting stuff you could even watch with the missus!
 

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Improve and Total Coarse are just big 'Advertorials' for manufacturers. Everything they test is Amazing. Fishing techniques only feature whatever new bait is sent to test or whatever their writers are sponsored by.
 

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Yeh, this is kind of my point does that make them a waste of money?

I have noticed also that all the major publications just recycle material year on year but dress it up differently!

I think TV shows are the future it brings everything to life if done correctly! mags have just lost all credability and are to expensive!
 

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I stopped buying magazines a couple of years ago. I find that anything new appears here eventually.

The cost of the magazines with the amount of advertising they carry is a rip-off. I occasionally buy a fishing magazine in France. It has about 1/10th of the advertising yet costs less.

As for the articles. Any half decent angler can pitch up to a known swim and produce. I would much prefer to see articles where either an average Joe like me on a peg drawn at random is coached to do better or where the Name is put on an average peg and explains how they would maximise its potential.

My 10 spent on being a Site Supporter here is much better VFM.
 
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The magazines mentioned above do carry a lot of adverts and 'sponsored' features but are very good reading for people new to the sport and coming back to it after long lay offs. Even those that are experienced can normally find something new, or a new approach to an old technique as food for thought.

I reckon that they do represent fair value for money especially as I only buy them if they contain something that grabs my interest.

TV coverage is sometimes disappointing, I would like to see programmes with more than a passing reference to how to set up, and why to use the techniques etc, this would be even better for those just starting or for people that have yet to try certain methods etc.

I would also like to see more programming alomg the lines of big name anglers showing joe ordinary angler the ropes on fishing sessions. Perhaps there is room for some of the angling trust registered angling coaches to strut their stuff in front of the cameras?
 

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Steve Lockett of V2V Angling has just launched an online magazine called WRITeANGLE.

At first he was looking to publish it via a subscription, but he's had a rethink and hopes to fund it via advertising, thus keeping it free to view. I have to say that I was reasonably impressed by the first offering which is in PDF format and can be found HERE.[;)]

I feel that this represents the way forward for publishers, though time will tell.
 

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I like the idea of an online magazine, I supose to command any advertising revenue he will have to be getting very high veiwing figures tho... 30,000-50,000
It seems the media is moving online allot more, us anglers are a little behind if anything lol!
I am a member of OnlineFishingTV really like somw of the new programmes on there, they do Freeplayer aswell so you dont have to pay to get something from the site...
 

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I worked for EMAP for a few years doing IT Support on the Editorail teams at Emap Metro in London (Mojo,Kerrang,Q, Empire Film etc) Eand for many years for a company that supplied and supported publishing systems.
Publishers will tell you that the purpose of a magazineis to deliver advertising. Cover price just accounts for some of the printing and publishing costs, advertising pays the rest of the bills and makes the money.
 

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The weekly papers are, in my opinion, a waste of money. I very rarely buy a monthly magazine.
Angling on the telly is a lot better than it used to be many years ago. Matt Hayes, love him or hate him makes fishing interesting on the box. Wilson to, once you get over the laugh, he makes a good programme. Much better than the "Screaming Reels" efforts we got many years ago.
 

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Originally posted by Captainswoop

I worked for EMAP for a few years doing IT Support on the Editorail teams at Emap Metro in London (Mojo,Kerrang,Q, Empire Film etc) Eand for many years for a company that supplied and supported publishing systems.
Publishers will tell you that the purpose of a magazineis to deliver advertising. Cover price just accounts for some of the printing and publishing costs, advertising pays the rest of the bills and makes the money.

So how do the French magazine publishers manage with minimal advertising? Is it that much cheaper to produce a magazine in France or are we in the UK being ripped off?
 

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i,ve probably watched every go fishing , great rod race etc... on sky but not everybody ,s got sky they should be aired on the main terrestial channels at decent times, yes they are repeats but people are taking up fishing all the time so might find them of interest. there,s enough pro anglers out there to make a series where they dont go abroad all the time, but have em go to different venues where we fish , commies, natural, rivers and do some sort of weekly competition for the public to join em.
 

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Fishing magazine are the same as most magazines, adverts, adverts, adverts and re-writes of the same article ever 12 months.

The tv shows are more entertaining but I would like to see the likes of Mat Hayes, John Wilson etc not fish somewhere full of fish where anyone would catch (and spend 2 hours the night before groundbaiting). To be fair to Matt the Great Rod Race and Greater Rod Race did see him fish at non-commercial waters.

I would also like to see people fishing on a budget. Give some star 150 to spend on tackle, bait and 3 days fishing (commercial, slow river, fast river) and see how they get on.
 

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Who needs printed fishing mags when you've got Maggotdrowners Forum ?
 

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Originally posted by Neil ofthe nene

Originally posted by Captainswoop

I worked for EMAP for a few years doing IT Support on the Editorail teams at Emap Metro in London (Mojo,Kerrang,Q, Empire Film etc) Eand for many years for a company that supplied and supported publishing systems.
Publishers will tell you that the purpose of a magazineis to deliver advertising. Cover price just accounts for some of the printing and publishing costs, advertising pays the rest of the bills and makes the money.

So how do the French magazine publishers manage with minimal advertising? Is it that much cheaper to produce a magazine in France or are we in the UK being ripped off?

It would depend on the circulation and size of the company. Railway Modeller magazine is reasonably priced and the adverts in them are useful and confined to equal size sections at the end and beginning so all the editorial is in the middle and can be removed and put into their annual binders. Adverts in Railway Modeller are actualy one of the reasons for buying it though.

I can think of a few specialist 'hobby' publications that re quite well priced with few ads in the UK but they are produced by small dedicated publishers
Emap do 'Improve' and Angling Times. They usualy charge top prices for their Mags anyway.

If you want 'celebrity' contributers and 'big' names you have to pay them, it all goes on the cover price.
 
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Originally posted by Wardy257

Fishing magazine are the same as most magazines, adverts, adverts, adverts and re-writes of the same article ever 12 months.

The tv shows are more entertaining but I would like to see the likes of Mat Hayes, John Wilson etc not fish somewhere full of fish where anyone would catch (and spend 2 hours the night before groundbaiting). To be fair to Matt the Great Rod Race and Greater Rod Race did see him fish at non-commercial waters.

I would also like to see people fishing on a budget. Give some star 150 to spend on tackle, bait and 3 days fishing (commercial, slow river, fast river) and see how they get on.

You should read John Wilsons' autobiography, you might see him in a different light. (You can get it for a fiver at The Works.)
 

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As with all media you've got to look for the money and the bias - read / enjoy but always think about why they publish something - most mags advertise but as long as you are aware of where they are coming from they can be useful.
 

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Can get most of the information,tips & advice through the angling forums. Anglers blogs can be a good source of information as well as being a good read without having to wade through page after page of adverts. They're usually honest too.
 

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generally the mags are predictable rubbish,with lots of adverts and pardon the pun but very shallow articles ocasionaly you get a good issue of one or the other,improve your coarse fishing is probably the best one though as for tv i dont watch anymore
 

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Originally posted by supersuperleeds

Originally posted by Wardy257

Fishing magazine are the same as most magazines, adverts, adverts, adverts and re-writes of the same article ever 12 months.

The tv shows are more entertaining but I would like to see the likes of Mat Hayes, John Wilson etc not fish somewhere full of fish where anyone would catch (and spend 2 hours the night before groundbaiting). To be fair to Matt the Great Rod Race and Greater Rod Race did see him fish at non-commercial waters.

I would also like to see people fishing on a budget. Give some star 150 to spend on tackle, bait and 3 days fishing (commercial, slow river, fast river) and see how they get on.

You should read John Wilsons' autobiography, you might see him in a different light. (You can get it for a fiver at The Works.)

It is not a question of how I see these TV anglers, its the media process behind them. TV has to be entertaining so watching a 30 min programme of some one blanking will not be made. However, as a fisherman I would love to watch and learn what these guys do on a bad day on a bad peg in order to catch. I would also like to see what they could do on a budget.

PS Im watching John Wilson as a write.
 
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