700lb+ Match Record

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We’ll go with really hungry then ;)

Did witness carp taking bare hooks, twigs and pollen (well basically anything that hit the water) earlier this year which I’d never seen anywhere else. Probably not scientifically starving but way more desperate for food than anywhere else I’ve ever fished.
That's because there's so many fish competing for food they class anything that hit the water as food and grab it so as not to miss out , sad really but that's the way it is at some fisheries. Oh and I'm not say they are being mistreated just my view on it.👍
 

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I'll lob in my view on this thread. I last fished anywhere 5 years ago (lookout at the Angel Of The North), and last Friday made my first trip since then, to the same venue.

All the fish we caught were in perfect condition, fighting fit and none of the carp were bloated and fat, like some I'd caught in the past from other venues. They're certainly not starving as they are fed by the owners when needed.. That's why it's a commercial venue, not natural.

When I used to fish local lakes in the 80s and 90s,the fish caught were often in terrible condition: often missing eyes or half a mouth. Novices and kids would land fish and drag them over concrete, it was horrific to watch.
Now, at somewhere like the Angel fish welfare is paramount. I felt a bit daft having to net a 1oz roach after my previous fish was an 8lb common carp, but that's why the rules exist.

Maybe other venues that throw up big, big weights show detriment in their fish stocks but not here.

It's quite funny that when The Angel started the owners got a lot of grief from posters on MD because they felt the biomass of fish was too LOW for a commercial. Of course as many know, the owner will stick to her guns and plan and although its not the cheapest place has developed into an excellent fishery. The average size of fish seems to have increased at least 50% in my time away.

People will always say 'its not real fishing' but its horses for courses. If you want silvers go for them.
At the moment in my return to fishing it suits me fine
 

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Wonder what Neil thinks of this thread?

I will say it takes skills as I've found out myself, by actually fishing commercials recently. I got better as any average angler would, started catching a few carp, then more and more. There is skill in the rig, baiting is a massive component, not just what but when and how. Then having the right gear to land number of fish. My best bag is still only just over 120lb, but plenty enough for me. I took time to value the fish, take photos of the pretty ones and put all back at the time with great care. I'd support big weights more if they could do away with keep-nets, how I don't know.
 

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not my cup of tea but im not going to knock others who enjoy that type of fishing, im a adult so i can choose where i fish and i can choose not to fish fisheries like this and vote with my feet.

As a adult we shouldnt knock/mock others who enjoy that type of fishing, each to their own and all that!
 
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As gingert76. You don’t hear of commercial anglers knocking natural venues do you ? They are just getting on with it. I don’t know what all the fuss is about. If you don’t like commercials for whatever reason don’t go. Simple as. I don’t fish commercials very often but, I do believe if it weren’t for these venues fishing as a whole would be on its backside.
 

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Exactly, to me it is just another type of fishing. I used to love fishing club matches on commercials as I always did well but back then winning weights were a lot less. I think my biggest weight is around 150lb and that seemed frantic. It's another skill to have.
 

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Why are people knocking this, everyone was praising the bleak Wye catch.
For me? The Wye catch was a case of the planets aligning. Wild fish choosing,or being forced,into certain parts of the river and the right angler doing the right thing on the day.
700lb is not natural. The fishery has been stocked to provide those weights. It is designed for anglers of all abilities to catch fish, and lots of them.
 

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I love all my fishing whether it be naturals or commercials and all have their place. For those that purport naturals as the "right way" then ask yourself is it OK to deliberately target spawn filled tench as people did when we had the old closed season and a cold spring or catch massive bloated artificially heavily fed barbel from a small tiny river stretch that only the lucky few could access that kept throwing up the record for a while or targeting the known and named latest super size carp water. At the end of the day don`t we all try to stack the odds in our favour to catch.....is that immoral ? I know sections of the Wye that at certain times of the year are jammed full of spawning or spawned Chub and its super easy to catch them if you want to so again is that right ? Just fish the venues you enjoy and let others enjoy their fishing as well.
 

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I love all my fishing whether it be naturals or commercials and all have their place. For those that purport naturals as the "right way" then ask yourself is it OK to deliberately target spawn filled tench as people did when we had the old closed season and a cold spring or catch massive bloated artificially heavily fed barbel from a small tiny river stretch that only the lucky few could access that kept throwing up the record for a while or targeting the known and named latest super size carp water. At the end of the day don`t we all try to stack the odds in our favour to catch.....is that immoral ? I know sections of the Wye that at certain times of the year are jammed full of spawning or spawned Chub and its super easy to catch them if you want to so again is that right ? Just fish the venues you enjoy and let others enjoy their fishing as well.

I supported the retention of the closed season on all waters, because of what you have just described. We used to have waters designated as, trout, mixed, and coarse. You were allowed to fish the first two during the closed season, with several restrictions regarding baits, methods, and keepnets. I used to take advantage of this when in my teens. I gradually got sickened by seeing, and experiencing the number of fish foul hooked when they shoaled up prior to spawning, and an angler found them. Apart from the amount of milt and roe, that was shed during the handling of these fish, the moral aspect sickened me, so I stopped fishing at that time, and if it's a late or early spawning season, and I drop on such a shoal, be it still or moving water, then I simply move. As to the hounding of such fish as 'The Traveller', then despite all the hype about otters killing it, I'm sure in my mind that the constant catching, and subsequent handling of it, contributed largely to it's demise.
The problem many of us have with some artificial waters, aka commercials, is just that, the whole concept is artificial, it's an industry created and designed purely to supply a catching experience, and far removed from what I and some others regard as the 'spirit of angling', an out dated concept I know but there you go.
I didn't regard either the massive carp weight, or the bleak one, as a fantastic angling feat, more one of endurance, and technique. Both taking advantage of the conditions in front of them. The difference I see is that one was a natural phenomenon, the other a man made one. One that is influenced by natural changes, the other constantly tended to like a garden, being fed, and nurtured, and the unwanted 'weeds' disposed of, to create and offer the desired 'product' for the consumer. It's 'horses for courses' and will suit some people all the time, some occasionally, and some like myself not at all.
I've used an analogy in the past, comparing it to other sports/pastimes. If it was suggested that the goals on a football pitch be widened, or that 5 stumps instead of 3 were used in cricket, or that a dartboard was increased to 1 mtre dia, and the holes on a golf course 30cm, there would be an outcry. But it's accepted, and even lauded in the case of angling.
This post is not intended to upset, or offend, but I've put my tin hat on anyway, it's just an attempt to offer an explanation of how some of us see the commercialisation of angling, and as I've touched on in earlier posts, it's impact on many other aspects of angling.

John
 

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I couldn’t imagine anything more boring that catching that much.....it’s almost obscene IMHO 🙄
 

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At least commercials ensure there is more room on the natural venues, we can all enjoy whatever we enjoy.
 

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I find it very strange that those who are against Commies and big weights feel the need to tell us over and over again why.
If you don't like it and don't do it then why does it bother you so much?

I assume your post was, at least in part, aimed at me Lee, and in truth I was expecting it.
You're right, I do go on a bit about the negative impact that this commercialism has had on something that I love, and has been with me as long as I can remember. I will probably continue 'going on' long after my last cast. In case you hadn't noticed by now, it's something I feel very passionate about. Believe it or not, I've calmed down a lot over the last 20-30 years.
I only came back on this thread because some comparisons were made, and I felt, rightly or wrongly, that I could show that there are other things in angling, past and present, not just the rampant commercialism, that some people find objectionable. It's just my opinion, and that of some like minded folk I've spoken to.
I will always respect anyone's right to an opinion, and the freedom to express it, I only ask that the same courtesy is returned.

John.
 

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It was aimed at anyone that feels the need to constantly knock what other types of fishing disciplines others choose to do John.
Fully agree with your last sentence, but I struggle to get my head around why some are so are so obsessed with what others choose to do and even more so when they choose to not do it themselves and then profess they have no interest in doing so.
What does the constant repeat posting knocking others interests achieve other than division and negativity?

I don't like Horseradish sauce but never feel the need to constantly inform others of that :)
 

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It was aimed at anyone that feels the need to constantly knock what other types of fishing disciplines others choose to do John.
Fully agree with your last sentence, but I struggle to get my head around why some are so are so obsessed with what others choose to do and even more so when they choose to not do it themselves and then profess they have no interest in doing so.
What does the constant repeat posting knocking others interests achieve other than division and negativity?

I don't like Horseradish sauce but never feel the need to constantly inform others of that :)

Why don't you like it Lee? Has it had a big negative impact on your life? If so, then please do tell, so that we can avoid the same happening to us.

If I say that I don't agree with something, then I usually give my reasons for saying so. I don't recall glibly using phrases like 'hook a duck', 'fish in a barrel', or even 'commies are easy', I have more respect for other peoples choices than to just dismiss them out of hand.

I've tried to explain in the past Lee, but will try a different way. They are people on here, as in all walks of life, that have opinions on things that they don't participate in, or have no control over. Things like the politics of another country, religion, sexual preferences, etc. They comment on these things for many reasons. Some do it just to agree with, and be accepted into, 'the flock', some because they like to play the role of antagonist and 'wind up' others, etc. Some do it because the subject has, or they think will, impact on their lives, either directly or indirectly. The advent of the 'commercial' fisheries, and the 'ripple effect' it caused, had such an effect on my, and many others angling lives, that is why I comment on them whenever someone asks, or a relevant thread is posted.
If people feel the need, and enjoy fishing them, ok, carry on, but if my rambling can slow down, or even stop, another balanced, mixed fishery from being subject to a barrage of mongrel carp, and 'exotics', so future generations can experience what many have not in their whole angling life, then it will put a smile on my face. It's much too late for a large number of waters, and especially river systems, they have already fallen foul of the 'knock on' effects. Thankfully there are still a few 'natural' waters about, and the tide of opinion appears to be slowly turning, so I hope that long after I'm gone, my grandson might just be able to experience a taste of what I enjoyed years ago.
I hope that answers your question Lee, and unless prompted, I'll leave it at that............for now:devilish::D

John
 

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confounds me why someone feels its ok to deride this catch and generally knock commercials, they have their place in our sport. Many anglers, tackle shops, jobs, TV coverage (not to say fish) simply would not exist without them.

Going to a place where >400lb is required to win is not my cup of tea but I really enjoy matches where the target maybe 200lb...... Conversely I would love a 50lb of roach day from a lake/river but would not enjoy 150lb of them but overall I respect those able to do it without feeling the need to criticise.....
 

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I fish up there every weekend in the opens and yes it might not be everyone's cup of tea but you couldn't ask for a better run opens. All your keep nets are provided and the place is immaculately clean and most importantly to me apart from fish well fair is the place is secure there has never been any fishing equipment stolen. As for the match weights yes you do need over 300lb+ just to frame and most of the winning weights are over 400+ and it can be hard work tbh. But I live locally and I've travelled to Yorkshire every week and just got sick of the distance.
 
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