“We Fish As One” and Emma Harrison's fight for female friendly fishing!

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Every time I walk into a shop ,pub, matchfishing draw , everyone looks up to see who’s come in. It’s a natural thing to do. If anybody went into a shop or pub and was ignored the business wouldn’t last very long. Everybody that comes in my business gets a lookup and a greeting. I just find this article a bit over the top and looking for something that is not necessarily there.
 

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Originally posted by Dave:

Unfortunately, I think this will have the opposite effect than intended and raise widespread concerns where there is none.
As from everyone's comments so far, including those on here and else where from other women, if there is an issue it is minor, not widescale, perhaps even not at all. If you go looking for issues then as the saying goes 'seek and you will find'.
The AT has every right to challenge the status quo but that challenge needs to be just, not based on one or two individual experiences as let's be honest everyone can read something into any situation and it can be vastly different to the next person depending on the person themselves.
Once the tabloids get hold of it angling in general could be slated and ripped apart, food for the anti's, undoing of anything the 'Trust has achieved lately, and for what?

Just to add to my previous post - it's recently been advocated that fishing is good for various mental health issues and not so long ago it was promoted in the press as being such, possibly even to the point of being advised by doctors.
In addition the Environment Agency and the Angling Trust have been campaigning to get more people into the sport, to take up fishing, something that everyone welcomed as it breathes new life into the sport and new life obviously means longevity, not to mention the economic benefit to fisheries and the tackle industry with the influx of many new participants.
Then this?

To an outsider, especially a female outsider, does the article make 'fishing' sound appealing? My wife say's not, and I'm sure many others would agree.

Perhaps this might just blow over, I doubt it, but one thing is for sure it has all the makings of shooting one's self in the foot unless it is researched thoroughly, statistics to back up statements, and a carefully thought out plan before loading the gun and removing the safety catch.
 

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In this day an age it's the fashion to feel discriminated against and it was only a matter of time women jumped up they do like a bit of attention.
If this woman feels the need to write to Angling trust then I pity her. And if I ever did see her fishing I would fish in the opposite side of the lake!!!
 

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Every time I walk into a shop ,pub, matchfishing draw , everyone looks up to see who’s come in. It’s a natural thing to do. If anybody went into a shop or pub and was ignored the business wouldn’t last very long. Everybody that comes in my business gets a lookup and a greeting. I just find this article a bit over the top and looking for something that is not necessarily there.
At a draw everyone looks and then either greets or ignores you, the greeting can be a hello, or a barrage of banter. The ignoring I have no problem with, probably because I’m not the most socialable person you’ll ever meet. I have been going to one venue for a couple of years now, the owners are friendly, most of the regulars on the opens are friendly, but some still don’t talk, I don’t have an issue with that.
 

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Sad to hear it may be the case but ive seek no resistance to women fishing only positively encouraged. Always viewed the biggest barrier being that its basically a dirty and smelly pastime that often involves handling wet wiggly or slimey bait. Not to paint all women with the sane brush but its not appealing to many women or men to be fair.
 

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Just to add to my previous post - it's recently been advocated that fishing is good for various mental health issues and not so long ago it was promoted in the press as being such, possibly even to the point of being advised by doctors.
In addition the Environment Agency and the Angling Trust have been campaigning to get more people into the sport, to take up fishing, something that everyone welcomed as it breathes new life into the sport and new life obviously means longevity, not to mention the economic benefit to fisheries and the tackle industry with the influx of many new participants.
Then this?

To an outsider, especially a female outsider, does the article make 'fishing' sound appealing? My wife say's not, and I'm sure many others would agree.

Perhaps this might just blow over, I doubt it, but one thing is for sure it has all the makings of shooting one's self in the foot unless it is researched thoroughly, statistics to back up statements, and a carefully thought out plan before loading the gun and removing the safety catch.
Hopefully it will blow over I think it’s just a way for Emma to promote herself by campaigning , and to try and help with her mental health issues, it’s going to do fishing no good at all, I still don’t believe it goes on , ok maybe an odd comment here or there .....I get s**t on quite a few matches I go on , and some people love it when I blow out , and take the p**s constantly, I just laugh it off ....
 

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The problem is, and I've said it many a time before, The world is becoming a mamby-pamby society where the slightest of things said upsets somebody somewhere. That doesn't mean we should ignore the threat of bullying or discrimination. We all know it happens and should be dealt with, but I think it should be dealt with at a local level. It's like a disease as this generation are experiencing now with Covid 19. Cutting it out at source could prevent it from spreading nationwide. Just look at the response on here in less than 48 hours. It should not have been publicised by the AT in this manner.
Angling Trust, you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG,
 

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I go fishing to relax,not to act as a social worker,if someone has "issues" then get professional help to deal with the rigours of daily life,there are laws in existence to protect the vulnerable,
the Angling Trust have done males a disservice by attempting to make out that that a problem that affects a few is widespread,and that the sport of fishing is somehow any more tainted than another.
When i went to the local tackle shop last year,it was like Fort Knox due to Covid restrictions,and certainly no group of regulars inside.
 

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I do wonder if by Miss Emma putting out her experiences within fishing to the general public if it will have a more negative effect and make some folk stand off and give her a wide(r) berth?:unsure:

50 plus years a angler/matchman and not once have I experienced her negative experiences....
 

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I do wonder if by Miss Emma putting out her experiences within fishing to the general public if it will have a more negative effect and make some folk stand off and give her a wide(r) berth?:unsure:

50 plus years a angler/matchman and not once have I experienced her negative experiences....
I don’t think she’ll add to her fan club , I,d give her a berth now , for fear of upsetting her , with my mouth 😉 Still the do-gooders will jump on in a minute, defending her and telling me what a d**k I’m being 💁‍♂️
 

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TBH Chef, I think you are right in what you say - as kids we were always taught that if you go too close to the fire you'll get burnt. Would you want to say something, banter or otherwise, to only later have it taken out of context and thrown back at you?
Like I said earlier, I go fishing to enjoy myself, not tread on egg shells
 

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Even if it's not intentional it can be a daunting situation to find yourself in a situation where you're the minority of whatever sort, a situation I've been in a few times in various ways, and only those with the thickest skin survive and it seems to be the zeitgeist at the moment.

I'm happy enough to admit I only had a certain amount of tolerance before I quit my job as I couldn't take it. The male in me was being castrated. So women can be just as bad, but you can't raise an issue without facing a backlash and denial, in my case I would have been called a misogynist. Women get called PC moaners.
 

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I don’t think she’ll add to her fan club , I,d give her a berth now , for fear of upsetting her , with my mouth 😉 Still the do-gooders will jump on in a minute, defending her and telling me what a d**k I’m being 💁‍♂️
You're just straight laced with what you say and personally I've never had a problem with anyone being that way provided it's done in an acceptable manner......But being rude just for the sake if ain't on.

Having personal experience and being a long term carer I've seen a lot of things that ain't always great/positive, but that's life, get on with it....Miss Emma's experiences could be applied to lots of sports/pastimes and if in this case, angling is exacerbating her problems perhaps one needs to look at something a bit less quieter/complicated....
 

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I've carefully read the first post and all the replies. I can't say I've ever encountered or witnessed any discrimination or the like when fishing. But generally I tend not to socialise much. If there really is a problem here, and I don't necessarily believe there is, then yes, it needs addressing. But I'm sure this sort of sensationalist approach is not the way forward.

The whole thing has the unsettling feel of being the top of a slippery slope.
 

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Years ago I walked into a Romford tackle shop and ordered a match pack of B&J, half a pint of pinkies and a few other bits the group of guys at the counter all decked out on various bits of Browning apparel all went quiet while I got me bits and bobs... one of them piped up "where you fishing mate" I replied "Regents Canal, Essex Club league final" and as soon as I mentioned the venue and match it seemed as If I was somehow worthy to talk to... there is a certain amount of suspicion of any newcomer in the angling world... at the opens the regulars would see a stranger and then go into a huddle and murmur ooseethen...? I think its the same for a lass and she's mistaking suspicion for discrimination to a certain degree... that said there are still some blokes who could leave a certain train of thought at the gate when it comes to the treatment of the fairer sex
 

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I don’t believe it happens 💁‍♂️
Then why would any complain about it Chefster? I'm sure it happens, but doubt it is from the angling fraternity. I bet its more yobs walking about places and Gobbing off. I'd hope if it did happen in any matches the guys would soon let them know its not acceptable? Kayleigh Smith whom I'm a massive fan of has some real skills, love a daughter granddaughter like that to go fishing with?
 

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Angling Trust hunting for a headline? Looking for a controversy which really doesn't exist. Probably won't be long before they try to raise the question of ethnic diversity in angling. :(
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No Peter it will never happen mate! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Then why would any complain about it Chefster? I'm sure it happens, but doubt it is from the angling fraternity. I bet its more yobs walking about places and Gobbing off. I'd hope if it did happen in any matches the guys would soon let them know its not acceptable? Kayleigh Smith whom I'm a massive fan of has some real skills, love a daughter granddaughter like that to go fishing with?
I’ve suffered abuse and p**s taking on matches , would you say “it’s banter” ?because I’m a bloke, If anything all the anglers at the matches I’ve fished with lady,s in attendance, have made allowances, toned it down and been gentleman ....I personally think there is an element of self promotion going on, still as I say all the namby-pamby do-gooders will be quick to jump on me , luckily I am very Thick-Skinned 💁‍♂️💁‍♂️
 

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I don’t think she’ll add to her fan club , I,d give her a berth now , for fear of upsetting her , with my mouth 😉 Still the do-gooders will jump on in a minute, defending her and telling me what a d**k I’m being 💁‍♂️
I agree and I think a lot of anglers will feel the same in fear of getting themselves in unnecessary trouble - most people know what the difference between harmless fun and a derogatory insult, but you can’t be too careful these days not everyone thinks and takes things in the way it’s meant. That being said I’ve never been to any fishery, tackle shop, etc where women have not been treated with the utmost respect and welcomed the same as anyone - it’s common courtesy.

Emma is very vocal and very public about her mental health struggles and uses her social media pages to share her experiences in order to normalise it and help others, which is good and very brave of her. However I think this is perhaps a step too far and has backfired on both Emma and the AT - pretty much accusing the majority of male anglers of being discriminatory towards her - with no proof or statistics to support the accusations.

I may be speaking out of turn, but I’m clearly pointing out a fact and mean absolutely no offence, but there are a some rather risqué comments on her posts which seem to be left by one or two of the same individuals, which she will happily respond to in a jovial way... now if my wife was receiving very public comments about certain parts of her body, I think the first thing she’d do (like most women) would be to delete the comments and block the person in question, not respond in a nice way to rude and sexist compliments and then go on to write an article calling the majority of all male anglers. If she is happy to receive some of the comments I’ve seen online which she publicly likes, then I’d hate to see the comments she has received on the bank which she is writing about - they must be really bad.
 
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