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dstev
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  5:33:55 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dstev to your friends list

I have never had an interest in using bite alarms, and have always believed it is an easy way of catching fish. However I am quite interested in fishing some of my local waters for good nets of Bream. Now if I was usually fishing for Bream, I'd get my feeder rod out and sit watching the tip of my rod. However I think I'd have more of a chance in catching if I had two rods set up on running line.

So my questions are:

1) Do you need to use a "Baitrunner" reel?

2) If not, how do you set up your reel?

3) I have no bite alarm equipment, what, apart from a bite alarm, do I need to buy?

Hopefully there are some carp fishing experts out there that can enlighten me on the very shady area of bite alarms!

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screamer26
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  5:45:17 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add screamer26 to your friends list

You can just slacken your clutch off without the need for a bait runner, all you need to buy is a bobbin and some bank sticks or pod set up.


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shadow12345
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  6:10:50 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shadow12345 to your friends list

i went to a bite alarm last year an never looked back.

bobbins are ok, I prefer swingers as they are not affected by wind. As long as the water you are fishing have a good bank then sticks are fine (no need for a pod straight away).

Baitrunner reels are helpful, but if you are sat right next to it then you should be ok.


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Seanyb
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  6:10:55 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Seanyb to your friends list

For Bream you don't really need a freespool reel, but if Carp or Tench are a possibility I would advise it.

Ultimately, all a bite alarm does is emit a noise when you get a bite. If you can keep a close eye on your indicators, you can get away without. The question is, can you really watch two bobbins all day? I find myself drawn to one in preference of the other every time.


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Piker-Dave
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  6:36:49 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Piker-Dave's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Piker-Dave to your friends list

get a bait runner.. dont slacken your clutch on a none bait runner reel, because i can PROMISE YOU on a run you will strike without thinking, clutch loose and your spool with explode with line....you can pick up good 2nd hand bait runners...

also.. i have an alarm here now, optonic, good alarm you can have for FREE.... you dont even have to pay postage.

this is to get you going if your interested, PM ME


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john weddup
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  7:04:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit john weddup's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add john weddup to your friends list

Hi dstev

I spend a lot of my fishing time for bream.

I usually use 2 rods unless action is so fast I leave one on the bank. fishing 2 is so much better. You can use different baits hooks etc to experiment on the day until one is right and you can put both onto same tactics.

When fishing large rivers, generally tidal, I use 2 tip rods on a tripod. Having 2 side by side helps bite recognition espescially when wind as you can line one up with the other. the 2nd rod is almost like the old target boards match anglers used to use.

On stillwaters I also like to use tip rods and use the same setup. When its dark use two chemical lights sellotaped on tips and again 2 rods makes it easier as you have 2 lights and can see movement easier. Those lights in the dark can play havoc on your eyes but with 2 its easier.

However on stillwaters espescially large ones they can fish much better with a good blow on the water. This can make tip fishing more difficult.

I then use 2 specialist drennan bream rods of 1.75lb test which are like scaled down carp rods. I use them with a rodpod bite alrms and bobbins.

The carp anglers will tell you to use swingers but for bream you are better off with bobbins. You need a very versatile rodpod that can be adjusted high. You can then have a very long drop on your bobbins. Something you cannot do with a swinger. This allows you a much better chance of not striking at a line bite.

When a shoal of bream arrive line bites are everwhere. The last thing you need to do is strike at one and spook the shoal. A long rise on a bobbin allows you to let it go all the way before striking.

Sometimes it gets near top and slowly falls back. A line bite.

You don,t actually need bite alarms but on some waters the wait for them to turn up can be long so to relax its much easier to have alarms on.

I only use bait runner reels if am likely to be hit by a carp on a longer spell. I much prefer to clip up and cast regular. Thats no good for baitrunners. That is until I read a thread today about clipping up using a pellet band on here.I will try and see if it sticks the long cast.

Large specialist reels without being carp reels can be quite light until you get bait runners. The extra guts make them heavy. The carp guys tend to use quick drag reels. These are not bait runners but release the drag on half a turn rather than several on a normal reel. This is fine when you hope for one fish a week but when the bream arrive you expect to catch lots so are not so good for us.

Having said that i normally clip up.

With bite alarms you really just need something basic simple but reliable. You do need a latching led with 2 rods.

Hope this helps

john

If I can be of help please ask what you like. I fish reservoirs, rivers and general stillwaters for most silver fish at night day summer and winter and have found my kit getting more like a carp angler everyday but with suttle differences aimed at my fishing.

regards

john

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davebike
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  7:10:12 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add davebike to your friends list

As an angler who values his piece and quirt PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE turn it down to as loud as you need and no more !!
As you may gather bleeping alarms are not my not my favourite sound :-))


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john weddup
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  7:24:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit john weddup's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add john weddup to your friends list

Hi dave

I used to doctor my old optonics by adding resistor in line to loudspeaker making it almost silent.

I hate alarm noises aswell.

I have now bought a radio receiver setup that allows me to have the only noise making thing in my top pocket hence again I can turn it down very quiet.

John


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shadow12345
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  7:34:12 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shadow12345 to your friends list

on the sound front... turn the alarm off when you cast and tension up. That annoy's me so much!


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dstev
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  8:36:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dstev to your friends list

Thanks for the responses, this really is a whole new world to me!

I currently have a Shimano Stradic 2500 FC, which is a bit light, but can take 10lb line, which I feel would be plenty (probably only use a 8lb line actually). So from what I understand, if I use a bobbin (what is the differance between bobbins and swingers btw), I can set it really low and have a fair bit of line for the fish to run, without the need of a baitrunner reel?

Also if I choose to buy a baitrunner reel what would you recommend? I would like to stay with Shimano but don't want to break the bank for something I may only use a handful of times in a year.


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shadow12345
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Posted - 07 July 2010 :  9:54:37 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shadow12345 to your friends list

swingers have a metal bar that holds the swinger onto the line a bobbins has a chain or string.


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cess monkey
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  06:42:35 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cess monkey to your friends list

A small/medium baitrunner reel can still be used for normal float and feeder work, they are handy for a bit of winter piking too, so it would proberbly get more use than you think.


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Piker-Dave
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  07:57:54 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Piker-Dave's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Piker-Dave to your friends list

pm'd ya back, email me your address and ill post that alarm free of charge mate, to help you out and get you moving..

newie


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dstev
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  08:14:12 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dstev to your friends list

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SHIMANO-4000-...em1c139d1118

This looks perfect for what I need, front drag as well! What do you guys think?


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Piker-Dave
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  08:35:53 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Piker-Dave's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Piker-Dave to your friends list

shimano 2500 IMO a little small....

also, look 2nd hand mate, you can get some right bargins


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Piker-Dave
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  09:59:17 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Piker-Dave's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Piker-Dave to your friends list

carp forum for sale is: Shimano ST 10000RA excellent condition very little use. 35 posted.



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dstev
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  4:32:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dstev to your friends list

quote :
Originally posted by common_carp

carp forum for sale is: Shimano ST 10000RA excellent condition very little use. 35 posted.




Where is that?


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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  4:45:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bluntbaby to your friends list

quote :
Originally posted by common_carp

carp forum for sale is: Shimano ST 10000RA excellent condition very little use. 35 posted.




How many have you got? Spare spools?


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Piker-Dave
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  6:35:14 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Piker-Dave's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Piker-Dave to your friends list

its on the carp forum, unless your a member and have the thumb (selling) then you can view the page...


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getfishing
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  6:47:50 PM  Show Profile  Visit getfishing's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add getfishing to your friends list

quote :
Originally posted by dstev

I currently have a Shimano Stradic 2500 FC
I know it isn't really on topic but that is a awesome reel, I've got one. But I use a Shimano Super Baitrunner XTEA in 5000 size for anything heavier than the waggler. It's a great reel and not massive like some; I'm very impressed with it


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jonesr
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Posted - 08 July 2010 :  6:53:42 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jonesr to your friends list

Can you still get Monkey Climbers?? They used to work well in the wind etc. Have to keep the tip under the surface.


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