Can anyone give a little advice ref: pole fishing
jlwHi its JLW here, yes the lady angler. . Although im an experienced course fisherwoman! I was wondering if anyone had any basic advice reference pole fishing. I have been given a 8 meter spitfire pole to try and I havent really got a clue where to start. . I know you attach the line to the end and you have precision fishing everytime you go out, but is there anything anyone can tell me that would make it easier. I had ago at attaching the sections and disconnecting the sections in the garden and to be quite honest I found it very difficult to manage. Which made me think if theres a fish on the hook, theres no way i could bring it in. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks JLW.
martin.hi just brought back to top for rr hope it helps tight lines. martin. talk fishing f**k football
tomaWelcome to the forum jlw. Practice makes perfect as they say,my advice to you would be, buy some books on pole fishing, try the "MASTER", Bob Nudd"s pole fishing, nobody better to write a book than the master pole man himself. Good luck Toma
jlwHi toma and thanks for the welcome Yes I think I better or I will probably make a right idiot of myself. JLW
DaveHi JLW, Not sure if the Spitfire is a pole or a whip but here goes: If it's a whip, attached at the top end should be a connector or more popularly a loop of thick line. Attach a length of line roughly equivalent in length to the first four sections of pole to the loop. Your float goes on, shot it up and attach your hook. In essence this is your first rig. As a precaution tie your hook to a lesser breaking strain than the main line. Then basically, holding the fourth section you will be also able to hold the hooklength comfortably. Bait up, lay the whip level to the surface and connect the rest of the pole. Slide it out to your baited area and when you get a bite, lift the pole till connecting and bring it back in. Once you get to the fourth section again, detach the rest and bring the fish to hand or the net. Pole fishing is very similar except that your line is connected to a connector (stonflo normally) and is generally shorter or sufficient for the depth you are fishing. The connector is then attached to elastic which 'gives' if you catch a reasonable fish. The best way of getting a pole elasticated if you're not too familiar with it is ask a friendly tackle shop owner and he/she will show you. The longer the pole the harder it is to handle so if you are intending using one for a while, you would do well to invest in a couple of pole hooks and maybe a roller. phew, next Dave Edited by - Dave on 28 February 2002 10:06:24 PM
jlwThanks Dave, Yes its definatley a pole, I have a whip and fish to hand with that but its all the sections, you have to connect and disconnect, I have seen anglers using poles and they make it look so easy to do, but believe me when i tried in the garden, what a laugh I nearly through it down the garden, I think what i will do is start off with like you say the first couple of sections and then add slowly untill i get the hang of it. Just one more thing you mentioned something about a pole hook? Whats one of those? could it be something to do with threading the elastic in the top section. mind thats just a guess. Thanks anyway for the info. JLW
DaveStep 2: The art of handling a pole is all in the balance and sitting comfortably. By balance I mean the rig to the pole, and section length. There is no point having too mush line between the pole float and the pole tip as this defeats the object of control and can lead to many tangles as well as a cumbersome strike as you'll end up waving the pole around in the air as you try to take the slack up. In most conditions two to three feet should be enough spare line. Okay, so you're sitting comfortably, your line is no more than four sections long and you've got the pole in your right hand, hook in your left. <here goes lol> Lay the pole level with the surface, comfortably in reach on your right side are the other sections preferably two or three sections joined together or the full pole if you use a roller. Swap the pole to your left hand after letting go of the hook, grab the next section or full pole with your right and push the two together with a slight twist. (You should now have the pole tip pointing at your baited area, float in the water nearby) Push the pole with your right hand outwards and sliding through your left, use your right leg as a 'middle' support if neccessary, once you've got to the end of the next section, hold the pole with your left, grab the rest and once again slide out. If you keep your float in the water or most of your shot, the rig won't bounce and you'll not get tangled. Part 3>>
peter Hi JLW. 1st things 1st,Welcome to the Forum. Is there any chance that you can make it to the little fish-in a few of us are having on the 30th.If so i'm sure a couple of us will be happy to show you the basics. If not then as TOMA says,you cant go far wrong with Bob Nudd's Guide to Pole Fishing,and see if you can get hold of one of his pole fishing videos. Peter. Happiness is a rod in your hand.
jlwHi Dave. I am going to have to print all this out cos its quite detailed isnt it. but thanks again. JLW
DaveThis is where the hooks come in... A pole hook (usually in pairs) are rod rests, the front one being a U shape and the rear one being an upturned U (haven't got a key for that one ) Place your pole in the front U and tuck the butt under the rear one. If they are positioned correctly you will find that the pole's weight will keep it in place and the tip of your pole is just above the water or for really long poles, laying on it. This will then free your hands up for baiting etc. An alternative method is to lay the pole across your right leg with your right hand holding down (behind you) the butt freeing up you left hand. You get a bite <hopefully> Lift the pole with your left hand into the fish, fish on? Pull the pole towards you or drag the fish away from your baited area. As you start bringing the fish in, pull with your right hand and slide through your left hand. Detach the sections as you put them together until you're left with the four. Lift the pole at this stage and play the fish to the net or gently swing to hand. As you say it takes practice and one good tip I was given is to put some bright insulation tape at the end of the fourth section. That way you know its the one without having to count them Have fun, Dave
jlwHi Peter I am sorry unfortunatly I carnt make it but thanks for the invite, yes thats a good idea i will have to by a pole fishing video I never thought about that. Cheers. JLW
DaveHi again, Here's one that I have, pole fishing with Bob Nudd [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004R81A/gomaggotdrowning"]Click Here[/url] and another of the man again on the canals [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004R81C/gomaggotdrowning"]Click Here[/url] Hope they help, I taught him everything he knows, I wish Regards, Dave
jlwCheers Dave, Theres alot of advice there thankyou very much, im going to print it all so i can follow the step by step instructions. Oh and I like the bit about the tape thats a good, a very good idea. Thanks and I will have to let you know how i get on, I will have to buy some of those hooks first though and make up some rigs. Thankyou.
peterJLW, Make sure you get yourself a pole roller,they make shipping/unshipping so much easier,as well as protecting the pole. Also have a look at the Clever Claw here http://www.cleverclaw.com/ it's a clever little device that can make using a pole so much easier. Peter. Happiness is a rod in your hand.
martin.hi & welcome JLW. i think the roller would probably be a better choice to start with rather than the hooks as this can aid shipping/unshiping a great deal you can pick a small V roller up around £3-£4 that fits on bank stick. try first positioning it roughly half way back to where the but of pole will be when it s in the pos. to break down , then practice just feeding pole back onto this , once confident then start practicing unshipping make sure you kee pole & top set in line. tight lines. martin.
jlwHi Martin, Thanks for the advice. I should be an expert if i get all the above in the right order. Cheers everyone. JLW.
tomaHello jlw have you taken all the info in? What do you mean make an idiot of yourself, can i tell you something WE ALL HAVE at some time. If you make a mistake so what shrug it off and try again. May the fishing,and the pole be kind to you jlw Good luck jlw go get em girl Toma
TroggBest thing is forget about looking like a garden gnome (had to get that in didn't i?) The only advice i can give you is to buy ready made pole rigs cos making your own is a pain..erm not that i've got a pole you understand (shut it fisheggs before you say anything) Alan You've just been moderated
tomaTrogg do you mean ? Toma
Troggwho me? I never said anything honest i didn'tahem Alan You've just been moderated
tomaWell i will ARSE so there I havent got a pole my ahem Cheers Trogg Toma
jlwHiya everyone, Am I lucky or what I was talking to Nige, Who I might add is my manager. I was telling him that i was a little confused as to how to use the pole and he has kindly offered to take me fishing and show me what to do. What a nice guy. JLW
tomaVery well done Nige, are you buying the bait as well Nige? Wishing you a good days fishing jlw Toma
jlwHi Toma, Well I was speaking to Nige about the fishing lesson and I asked if he would buy the bait and he said he would. But I carnt do that its not very fair so I think I will buy it and I thought I would put it on here so, he can see that I mean it. After all he is giving up a day to teach me its the least I can do, in fact I will probably buy him a thankyou gift ( but dont tell him) JLW
peterWelcome back Jane,[:)] Sorry to hear about your Grandad,but hopefully he's on the mend,and there's nothing more theraputic than a days fishing in good company,so there's your excuse to get him out on the bank again.[;)]
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jlwHi Everyone, I have not been on the site at all lately as I have had some very serious family upsetment, My grandfather who taught me all I needed to now about fishing was diagnosed with Cancer of the bowl and as he has been a father to me my first thoughts for the last few months have been with him, Although he has had it removed and well you know they say he is clear now, it is still upsetting as I live quite a distance away from him. But anyway I thought I would just pop back and say hello to everyone as I did recieve some very useful tips from the thread that I started and would like to thank everyone for there contributions obviously I have not done much fishing lately. What with one thing and another its been a bit awkward but hopefully when the weather picks up a bit I will go up to doncaster and take him fishing as thats one thing he really misses, Its quite sad really as he gets his fishing tackle out most weekends and makes sure its clean and everything is in place ready for the next time he can go. Well on a more lighter note. I am moving house on the 20th of december yes thats right 5 days before xmas ( I am MAD). ah ah. Anyway I found a letter as I was clearing all the rubish from the loft which was sent to me when I was 15 years old asking me to fish for the South Yorkshire Police. I never new about this as it was inbetween some old papers I had been given and on speaking to grandad he told me a few things about it, I never did as PARENT FROM HELL,(she was and still is would not allow it.). But if I had (WHERE WOULD I BE TODAY)Mmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe a well known Lady Angler or maybe not but hey I am proud of it. Well hope everyone is well and I wish you all a merry christmas and a happy new year and I will get back into the forum as soon as I can. Regards JLW[:)]
martin.hi just back to top might help newt. tight lines. martin.
NewtMartin - thank you. It did for sure. I have firmly decided that if I am going to use hooks smaller than a #8, I am going to buy them ready tied since I can barely even see the eye on a smaller one and just can't get my head around putting a spade end on a line. Elton (from AN) sent a packet of Ashima's (I think - not at home now) and I looked for a while to find the darned eye and had just about decided they were defective. Then tried to figure out a good way to drill a proper hole in the spade thing. LOL I got my critter unpacked today. Not quite 10 meters but surely seems long to this old country boy. Now that thing is a POLE!!! I was expecting sections that came apart. From what I can tell, this one is more like a telescopic super-whip since the sections all slide into the next larger one and when I opened it up, they didn't come apart (at least with any amount of pressure I was willing to use). I actually hope that is the way it is made since if the sections will just slide into one another when I get a fish on and need to pull in, I can probably use the pole from a boat which will be great. Not "traditional" certainly but we have a fish here called a black crappie that will do well on small jigs and small baits but loves to hang around in the brushy part of fallen trees and similar spots. Impossible to cast to (well, you can cast in but probably can't ever get out unless you have a take). I fish them at times with a 10ft whip but have to get a bit too close with it and often spook them. This thing may make a fantastic jigging pole. I think the black crappie may be a Brit wanna-be fish since it requires delicate presentations of small baits and lures. You can tell from Trev's US visit thread that such behavior isn't normal for most of our fish. However, in looking at the pics in the match magazines that came with the pole (and thanks to whomever), the fish look a lot like our shad which again need a very delicate presentation and probably like different baits than I ever use. I see lots of em in the water but only catch a very occasional one. Small mouth on em and they aren't pres shaped at all so they probably go for veggies or something. Newt Vail
martin.hi newt just in case have you tried removing the butt cap taking all sects out from this end & putting together from top as you would a rod . normally it is only top 2,3 or 4 that is telescopic & the rest either put-over or put-in. tight lines. martin.
NewtMartin - thank you. Hadn't thought of that but will try it later today (it is 3:21 am here and I am way too tired [[and way too far into the Scotch]]) to deal with it tonight. Newt Vail
raynewt, as martin said, try taking off the butt cap, maybe its a push on rubber one or some poles have a screw on cap. when you have done this i would suggest that you get yourself a stool ( as you are aware, we use "boxs") find a nice piece of lawn with no trees etc in the way, lay all pole sections on the ground next to you (carefull nobody is around to stand on them) then take the top section in your left hand and put the rest of them together (using you right knee/thigh as a rest) with your right hand, every time you add a section have a bit of a "waggle" to get the feel of it. you may feel a bit clumsy at first but it does get easier with practice. when you feel comfortable "shipping and unshipping" get somebody to hold onto the connector and gently pull out a bit of the elastic and just hold it, then you can gently lift the pole, when a bit more elastic starts to come out, ask the person holding the connector to give a few "jerks" this will give you some idea what a fish feels like, i would do this before i put a rig on, the whole idea is to ship out (and in) as smoothly as poss so that the pole tip is not bouncing around allover the place. p.s, if you want to e-mail your address i will send you a copy of the bob nudd book. true anglers leave clean banks original "clean banks campaign" slogan.
NewtThanks gents. As I said, I am only an egg at this pole stuff (to sorta misquote a favorite author of mine). I had tried removing the butt cap but it was firmly on there. But Eureka!! It does screw off. So well made I hadn't seen the gap at first. So now maybe I can try fitting the sections together. Do you need to lube them at all or just use em dry? And what in the world happened to JLW - the lady angler who started this thread way back when? My postal address is Newt Vail 1312 Rosehill Ct Concord, NC, USA 28025 And thanks to all for the generous offers. Newt Vail
NewtThis quote is from Martin on the thread in the tackle section. Think I need to keep everything on this one to avoid confusion. "i completly aggree with ray let us know what sort of pole & rough idea of type/size of fish & then we can help to our best ability." Well - the pole is nearly 10m long. I think from the cover letter it is rigged with #8 elastic but not for sure. I'll check when I get home tonight and give the make and other specifics. I do have one small lake near the house that would work out for trying this thing. Most fish are reasonably small to maybe 4-5 lbs with most smaller. The one concern I would have is there are a few grass carp in the lake and they run to over 40lbs. Be just my luck to hook into one of those fellas. LOL I know for sure there are channel catfish, bass, sunfish in there. No idea about carp but if there are any it was an accident. Newt Vail
DaveHi Newt just use them dry but keep them clean and free from grit. Size 8 elastic will work well for fish up to around the 3-4lb mark so use line of max 5lb breaking strain. Keep the line from the elastic to the hook no longer than the first 3 or 4 sections to avoid tangles and to aid presentation. When you get a bite as previously suggested avoid the urge to stike up into the fish. If you miss you will have a helluva mess to sort out afterwards. Rather lift the pole up and pull into the fish and you will find that this works fine. Don't forget we'll want a photo of you with it and with your first fish Regards, Dave
martin.hi newt one thing that no one has mentioned yet is the elastic may need constant lubricating because of pos dry heat over there . i personly just use a diluted sol of washing up liquid . just stretch lacy out of tip of pole & put a few drops on as it goes back in this should stop any jerking action on lacy. tight lines. martin.
ray40lb grass carp, now that sounds like fun. newt, i was given this bit of advice many years ago. treat ya pole like ya woman, be gentle, treat her good and let her do the work, and you will get years of faithful service. when you have gotten used to "shipping and unshipping" it and feel you are ready to try for a fish, i would suggest that you start with as many secions as you feel comfortable with, i would use 4 or 5 sections to catch a few small fish to get the feel of it and how the elastic works, the rest of the sections will need to be put together, within easy reach, behind you, that way if a bigger fish snaffles your hook you can put it all together in one go to follow it. you mentioned earlier "rigs", do you have any info for us?? you may also need to get hold of some bits and bobs, like a disgorger and landing net. catch ya later "a fool and his litter are soon parted" take yours home original "clean banks campaign" slogan.
rayp.s. dont rush things, take it nice and easy "a fool and his litter are soon parted" take yours home original "clean banks campaign" slogan.
NewtFrom ray "you mentioned earlier "rigs", do you have any info for us?? you may also need to get hold of some bits and bobs, like a disgorger and landing net." Got some pre-done rigs with the pole (and again, thanks to whomever). Gonna study em before I use em in case I need to make up more. Landing net - got one. Different sort of netting than I have ever seen you folks use though. Rubber and expands nicely. Not only easy on fish but not bad about keeping lures like some mesh is. Disgorger - got one of those as well but it may be a bit large for tiddlers. No small ones available in the US as far as I can tell. I do think I will stick to my kahle pattern hooks for smaller sizes (below #8) and either kahle or circle in #8 or larger so I don't deep hook the fish. You folks really oughta try those hook patterns. Check /w Trev since he brought some back with him. He is not sure that light biters will do well on them but I think they will. And for me, if I have a hook that gets nearly all in the lip, I will put up with a few missed takes rather than switch to a hook pattern that rarely misses but often gets in deep. And don't be put off by the odd shape. Ole Trev was positive that anything shaped like a kahle couldn't possibly catch a fish. I think that his 10th or 20th catch (all lip BTW) may have changed his mind some. LOL As for "dry heat" - that is a problem in the western US but around here, normal summer humidity is usually pretty high. 70-90% not at all unusual. Newt Vail Edited by - Newt on 24 May 2002 10:09:54 PM
ZiptrevNot yet had chance to try the hooks Newt, as not fished properly for Carp. The lures exceeded my expectations though! , as you know. I think the pattern I lost was firetiger! spent an hour last night browsing Bass pro and Cebalas lol. Need to replace that amazing green catcher! I also havent tried tent/bivvy/brotel Since I have been home, we have had an incessant B----y Wind! Its there now and I'm fishing again today! Darent try and erect it until I know how secure I can make it! Will the wind ever stop? CU later Trev ZiptrevShouldn't happen to a DOG!
martin.hi newt just wondering if youve tried pole yet tight lines. martin.
NewtMartin - haven't had the chance. Had company in town to fish the last several weekends and he wanted to toss lures. Took the wife today for a short session and she wanted to toss lures. I have played with it in the yard and think I about have the knack of taking it apart in the proper place. I intend to give it a try this weekend if the weather is reasonable. Not sure if I'll be able to get pics of me using it though since I will be by myself and my digi camera does not have any way I can figure out to take a remote shot. Will get pics of the fish though (he said confidently). Full report immediately afterwards. Newt Vail Edited by - Newt on 07 June 2002 9:11:51 PM
martin.hi newt best of luck at w/e if you have any more questions afterwards just let us know tight lines. martin.
dazba little tip for newt if you are having problem's taking the pole apart in the right place mark the section with something ie white correcting fluid or a peace of coloured tape tight lines dazb
TroggThats it then Newt is no longer Newt the redneck,, he's now Newt the gnome Alan You've just been moderated