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ChubBuster
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 Posted - 14 May 2012 : 8:15:03 PM
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gileskev they're not the same pole. Nor improved versions.
In the continental market they have the 1.3, 1.5 and 1.9 which are lower end poles, then the E River Carp (which seems to be the E Carp in the UK), then have the E1, E2 and E3 as the upper range, and then the Elite 97 flagship.
All of them are well over 900gr, so there is no possible comparison with the UK poles. From the Match This 3 upwards they all weigh less than 800gr.
In my opinion they make the poles according to the market. Here in the continent the main target is people fishing their counties' regional/national leagues, and not so much the pleasure/commercial angler, and trust me, these packs will be far more expensive than the UK packs. The cheapest of the poles will be around 800 quid, this for a 13m version. On another note, these normally come with top 5's, because we normally have to cope with big depths, whether on rivers or still waters. As i stated before, i got a Match This 2 Plus from TackleUK (greatly recommend those lads, their customer service was great), but it was because my budget was not so big, and i do think Maver top the other continental brands in terms of quality/price. If you go for a pole of equal quality from Milo or Colmic, you'll pay considerably more. The only brand that i think can contend with them in terms of quality and price is Sensas.
Still, regarding the Elite E Carp, if it really is the same pole as the E River Carp, i'm almost sure it will be a good pole at 13m, but the 14.5m version will just be an added section that will make the pole unstable.
Nevertheless, i never understood why the abyssal division between the continental and the UK market. Ok, you lads fish more still waters, we fish more flowing waters with bigger floats, but i'm more than sure that the river poles would more than cope with the beating they would get in a commercial. As well as i am sure your poles will cope with the rivers and big floats, but the Match This 2 Plus will have a trial by fire as soon as it gets here. Next weekend i have a championship match, in the Elbe river, 5m deep, using 4 to 8gr floats (the flow slowed a bit, 2 weeks ago we'd need at least 10gr, hope it doesn't rain this week!)
All these things are a mistery to us all i think, but i guess companies know how to manage their productions and sales tactics. If they weren't making money with it, they wouldn't be doing it, that's more than certain.
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ChubBuster
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Posted - 16 May 2012 : 6:29:11 PM
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Ok, just got the Match This 2 plus today.
First impression: "Crap, i should have bought the Elite Carp"
Maybe the pole's performance will surprise me, but the pole is very thin walled. If the Match This 2, weighing in at 820gr is this thin walled, i don't want to imagine the Match This 3 and above that weigh even less. Oh well, worse thing that can happen is that it'll break on the first out and i'll just ship it back and get the Elite Carp...
On a plus side, the holdall that comes with it is a cracking piece of kit. Very nice quality. Will be out on the weekend (Friday/Saturday/Sunday) with it, let's see how it goes... |
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churchwxm
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Posted - 17 May 2012 : 9:20:01 PM
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Hi lads, this thread has been pointed out to me so i thought i would reply. Im lucky enough to be a Maver sponsored angler/consultant, but anyone that knows me (a few on here do) will tell you i say it as it is.
After recently agreeing terms with Maver i took delivery of my new pole, and i opted for the Elite Carp. My reason for doing this was the fact that your paying a low price for the pole and not a spares package like you do with many others. 4 kits with the 14.5mtr package should tell you this, you should expect a pole with little spares at that price to be half decent.
When i got it out in the garden to laccy up i was very impressed, it is genuinely stiffer, better balanced and more responsive than my Trilogy!!!!!. The finish is lovely, joints nice and strong, top kits the same. I fished yesterdays opening round of the UK Champs at Lindholme with mine at 16mtr, i managed it all match in a cross wind, it wasnt noticeably different to any other top end pole ive owned. I have got more extentions (the 16mtr extention is parallel) but not tried them yet. Im not trying to tell you lads how to suck eggs, but i honestly thought it was OK at 16mtr, its not an Elite 88 at 16mtr, but your not paying over 2K. At 13mtr and under its a dream, at 14.5mtr and 16mtr its good and perfectly useable. I was between an M1 and a Trilogy yesterday, it didnt look out of place against those 2.
The price will be going up soon, and whether you believe the pole is worth it is your call, but like many who have tried it, or like the many that have actually bought a very, very good Carp pole for little money in comparison to its rivals i simply cant fault it. Im so impressed im not looking to get an 88 or Match This 6, this will be my main pole. Im heavy handed so this fits the bill, and most of my fishing is Commy work, but i wouldnt worry about it on a canal or River, it will do me fine and i dont think it would look or act out of place on both.
Im not on here trying to sell it, have a play in the shop or grab a mates on the bank and see for yourself. Anyone that see's me about on the bank is welcome to play with mine (That sounds bad ), im hard to please, but im genuinely impressed with this for the money, spares are very well priced too. |
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 1:48:17 PM
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I had a waggle of one in Bobco's, Leeds. It was along side the Maver MT range from 1 thru' to 6.
I, personaly, thought it felt very poor compared the the MT range. And by no means stood out as something special (imo).
It felt a bit too heavy and nowhere near as good as the other Mavers.
Not sure how the RRP is justified and be interesting to see how the sales are once the price goes up.
Up to what??
Why is this pole necessary when Maver already have such a massive range of poles on the market?
The Match This Plus series is already beefed up from the previous models to handle the rigours of carping is it not?
I just don't get it, the elite carp is promoted as a carp and silverfish pole (does the lot, super stiff, light) but all the MT range caters for that??
Is it just Maver marketing gone mad?
And again, imo, the promotional film with Phil Briscoe & Callum Dicks, well he (Phil) sounds a bit like a pushy car sales man. Hmm? |
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gileskev
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 08:19:47 AM
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I agree with churchwxm.
At the price it is now plus I've managed to get mine at 14.5 metres at the 699 price.
Compared to my old maver 301 & 401 the e carp at 13 metres is much stiffer & responds really well when lifting into fish.
It's easy to hold at 13metres.
It does feel for me being a short fella a little more unbalanced with the 14 metre extension but I could never afford a pole at a 2 or 3 grand price tag.
With churchwxm comment about the pole not being out of place on rivers and canals I may use my match top kits & see how it performs.
I would also like an opinion as to weather the short number 4 would be of any use with this pole ?.
I'd like to say that the e carp is as much an all rounder if you add the kits.
So much more than just a carp pole.
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Posted - 02 July 2012 : 3:15:48 PM
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| 14.5 is 187cm 0r 73.5inchs approx,and the 13 is same.now been using it a few weeks and had carp to 10lb in bags of 50 plus,roach matchs almost 20lb in 3hr night matchs,using the orginal long top ones to a match3 section.all SECTIONS FIT PERFECTLY IN THE HOLDALL SUPPLIED COMES WITH 3 GREEN LARGE TUBES. will fit a umbrella on the inside,room in seperate pocket for the short section,and room for a least3 more green tubes.changed the sizes |
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Posted - 02 July 2012 : 3:17:12 PM
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Too long to fit in my Airtity Luggage 
I think they are 1.85m long |
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Posted - 02 July 2012 : 11:59:19 PM
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Mick your sections are short lol
I think you may be missing a meter of your 13 and 14.5m sections, take is back to maver.
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Posted - 06 July 2012 : 7:54:12 PM
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I've found when shipping the elite where I've been subconsciously used to other maver poles, I'm finding I've got to keep looking to find the joints.
Sounds stupid I know but a bit annoying at the moment.
But the pole feels great at 13metres, comfy & stiff.
Haven't as yet got the 14metre extension out of its tube.
Anyone fished the pole at its full 14 metres yet.
Just wonder if the handling at the full length drops badly or not ?. |
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Posted - 06 July 2012 : 10:23:29 PM
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I have fished it at 14.5 with the dolly butt fitted. I think it was nearly 16m as I was using a longer topkit from my old 401.
It felt fine tbh, yes it did droop a bit but that is to be expected really as the topkit had pink vespe in (heavy stuff) I hit every bite and it felt quite responsive too. I was impressed really.
After the match I fitted one of the supplied powerflow kits and shipped out and if felt a lot better and more responsive, But was a good 400mm - 500mm shorted and I couldn't reach the far bank, hence the reason I used the longer top kit.
Not as good as the maver 401 at this length but I rarely fish at this length so this pole is perfect for me. 13m is amazing
I will measure it next time I have it up at full length with both kits on. |
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Posted - 15 July 2012 : 8:13:07 PM
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| Perhaps a bit of a unfair question but how does this compare with the old medussa - I am looking for something with same strength. Is it 4 top kits it comes with ? - if I did get it I would probably get another 2 top two's - what is the price of additional top two's - cheers |
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Posted - 15 July 2012 : 8:25:21 PM
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| oh yeah, what is the max elastic you can use on them |
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chris grant
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Posted - 15 July 2012 : 9:12:11 PM
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| One more question - do they do a short 4 for it |
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Posted - 17 July 2012 : 10:40:03 AM
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| Chris it comes with 4 top kits,any maver competition pole tops fit,up to the nu 5 section,elastic size any ,except the ones you would use on a margin pole,cannot answer on the Medusa,but you will not break it under normal circumstances. i use it for silver fishing on a evening match most weeks,and catch up to 20lb most times mainly roach.then carp fishing the next with up to 45lb in 3hrs.so its good all rounder. |
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Posted - 20 July 2012 : 5:42:03 PM
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| I took my Elite Carp out the other day.. nice and slim, seemed well balanced. I will do a full review when I have used it a few times... Oh and I will also review my Z12. |
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