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Gazhilla
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 Posted - 28 July 2005 : 7:35:28 PM
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I see that there are lots of posts coming up with the same questions on Bait Talk about fishing paste.
It can be a bait that can really take a place apart and once you get used to fishing it, it's not that hard to do. So to try and help people I will let you know how I do it. I don't profess to be an expert but I seem to get results. I will be talking about fishing paste on the pole for carp The first thing I will cover is the two types of paste that I use.
1. Swimstim groundbait - Add almost boiling water to a bowl and then sprinkle on the groundbait, keep adding until it is very sloppy and then leave for 10 minutes, the mix will stiffen when it begins to cool. This is a great paste used on the pole very soft, it breaks down within a couple of minutes to leave a small pile of feed.
Great for carp, bream and tench fished over pellets. If you want to add flavours add it to the water before adding the groundbait.
This type of paste works with all the swimstim and crazy bait ranges of groundbait and I have done it with sillybait but tend to sieve it first as it has some bigger particles.
2. Pellet Paste
Method one - Get yourself a coffee grinder ( mine was 14 quid from amazon) Put a handful of pellets in the grinder and grind until a very fine powder, keep doing this until you have a bagfull and then mix with water just off boiling as you would with the swimstim. I have found that dependant on the oil content of the pellets you sometimes get a very sticky mix, add a drop of groundbait if needed to make it a little easier to use, again if you want to add flavours add to the water first.
Method two - get a bowl of pellets, cover with boiling water and leave for an hour, only just cover the pellets with water or will be too mushy. After the hour just kneed the mush with your hands to make the paste. This method I have found best when a fishery states you must use their pellets, this is what the fish are fed so using a paste made of the same makes sense.
This is how I make all my paste and the tips I can give are : Fish it as soft as you can get away with, obviously you need to make it stiffer to fish with rod and line. I personally don't add eggs, this makes the paste too binding for the way I fish it, I want it to break down in a couple of minutes, however it may be better for rod and line fishing. The other thing about eggs is that they go off in hot weather.
Water just off the boil is better than cold, it emulsifies the oils in the paste giving off more attractants, Roy Marlow agreees with this and he knows more about carp feeeding than most.
Flavours that have worked well for me have included, Strawberry and scopex crazy bait double squirts, Vanila essence nicked from the missus food cupboard and csl and mollases. Dont be afraid to experiment with different flavours.
Paste on the pole.
I only use three types of floats for fishing paste
The one on the left is a loaded Preston Innovations Tyson, the two in the middle are Preston Innovations durafloat 7's and the other two are Maver Paste.
In the margins less than 18" deep I use a loaded PI Tyson float. This is a self-cocking dibber type float, which is very short and visible. I plumb to find a clear flat spot on the bottom and fish it slightly overdepth (1/2"). I don’t strike at all when fishing paste but lift about 4 inches to set the hook but only when the float has completely disappeared.
In water between 18" and 4' deep I use PI Durafloat 7's in between 4 x14 and 4 x 18 sizes dependant on the depth and tow. I slightly undershot the float by about a no. 10 shot, which just leaves about 2mm of the body showing. I then take a lot of time to plumb up and find an area about 12" square that has a flat bottom, I know it states in the mags that you need to be completely accurate with your placements but no-one can guarantee landing on the same inch perfect spot. Right, I plumb so that the float is absolutely at dead depth allowing then an additional 1/2" inch of line as the piece of paste can pull the line a little further down and if set dead depth the float disappears.
In water deeper than this I use a maver paste float which has a very long bristle in sizes between 1/2 g and 1.5g, don't be afraid to use a heavy float as paste is a heavy bait and the fish don't tend to feel the resistance. If conditions are good I shot this with an olivette locked with a shot, the weight of which takes the float only to the bottom of the bristle. I fish it with the olivette at least 2ft from the hook. I again plumb the same allowing 1/2 inch for the paste ball. Don't be afraid to have an inch of bristle showing. With both this and the durafloat I only strike when the float sails away, lifts sharply or disppears, if getting a lot of liners and knocks I often count to one after the float goes before lifting into the bite, get much less foul hookers this way.
If the weather is bad or the water is towing strongly add a no.10 shot and fish the paste 2" overdepth, again only lift into bites that are solid as I said above.
I always use a pot on the top kit to put my paste in as it is very soft and tip it in, I make mine by drilling out dove deodorant tops, they are just the right size for me but the fox toss pots are also good. I never fish smaller than a size 12 hook as paste is a big bait and will even go up to a size 8 drennan starpoint for big fish.
I try and fish as short a line between pole and float as possible, 6" in good conditions and up to 2' if windy, I ship out with the paste in the pot, tip the paste in and then ship back the distance between pot and pole tip so that the float is directly over the paste. If fishing with a float over 1 gramme i lift the float out of the water as soon as I tip the paste in and slowly lower it so that the shot/olivette doesn't pull the hook out of the paste.
I tend to only feed a pot of pellets at the start along wth 3 or 4 pieces of paste, your paste is constantly feeding you swim as you keep re-baiting. I only top up the pellets when I stop getting bites or liners. I have found that if i feed a few pellets each cast it can lead to fish coming up in the water which causes no end of bother.
As I said at the start I am no expert but at least this may help you get started on the paste, be prepared to miss a lot of bites but when you do master it a great days fishing you will have.
Best of Luck
Gary
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caster man
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Posted - 08 October 2005 : 10:21:20 AM
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| WELL DONE MATE 4 TELLING US ALL ON HOW TO FISH THE SLOPPY PASTE!!!!! IT WAS BANG ON 2YEARS AGO IT WAS A TOPSECRET! MY MATE WAS FISHING IT AT WHITEACRES & DID WELL ON IT AND NOW HE JUST CANT PUT IT DOWN AND TO B HONEST IN THE SUMMER HE BAGGED UP BIG TIME 100LB BAGS NO PROB!! & ITS HARD TO KEEP UP WIV HIM WHEN THE PASTE STARTS TO GO!!!!!!!!! (HOW DO U GET ON WIV IT IN THE WINTER?) THANKS 4 YOUR TIPS ON PASTE FISHING & HOW TO USE IT IM STILL TRYING 2 GET 2 GRIPS WIV IT BUT I WILL GET THERE ( AS MY MATE SMELLY WOULD SAY!!! I HAVE NO IDEA BUT THEN HE HAS 2 ASK HIM SELF HAS HE YET???????????????? |
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smalleey
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Posted - 09 October 2005 : 7:59:36 PM
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HAHHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHA, listen to you cystitis man, im guna kick your ass when we go to whiteacres in a couple o weeks....
Seriously though the paste is unbelivable when it goes, im sure you will get it right next season ol lad.
"ANY GOOD"
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ZEBS
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Posted - 10 November 2005 : 5:14:16 PM
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| I love all this info, I've not tried Paste Fishing yet but i will get around to trying it one day But till i can get fishing i love reading about it, Great keep it up...... zebs |
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goodyoungangler
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Posted - 15 May 2006 : 6:16:43 PM
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iam going to try it now this year!
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duncan
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 10:51:10 PM
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| how do you keep paste on the hook on casting when fishing the tip |
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bezzer
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Posted - 24 May 2006 : 08:51:01 AM
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Originally posted by duncan
how do you keep paste on the hook on casting when fishing the tip
I would have though adding eggs to the mix will stiffen it up and hold it on the hook.
I'm going to be trying paste for the first time this weekend using a feeder so I'll try the egg stiffening method and see how it goes. |
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craiggoldstraw
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Posted - 25 May 2006 : 12:21:57 PM
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| thank for that helps |
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beastie
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Posted - 26 May 2006 : 9:57:26 PM
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| Try adding gluten to the mix to stiffen the paste |
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Gazhilla
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Posted - 27 May 2006 : 10:23:41 PM
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Just increase the oil content of the ground pellet and mix it hard and dry, hair rig a pellet and then wrap the paste round. Should cast a decent distance.
Gary
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Posted - 03 June 2006 : 4:58:45 PM
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Thanks Gaz, Nice one, Julie's just printed the whole topic for future reference lol  |
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goodyoungangler
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Posted - 03 June 2006 : 9:02:12 PM
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good info!!
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danny69
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Posted - 15 July 2006 : 9:46:05 PM
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i have made some paste and it is to sloppy how do i make it propper
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ojfrancis
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Posted - 18 July 2006 : 10:55:32 PM
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well done gaz, it worked for u at the match, didn't work for me. lol.
watch out for eels
John Francis
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kieran1986
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Posted - 27 July 2006 : 3:49:31 PM
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| one question i have about paste is how long can you keep paste for once its made? and whats the best way to store it.... good tips anyways as ive not yet tried paste i am trying it soon though |
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kieran1986
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Posted - 27 July 2006 : 4:30:57 PM
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| and also when you say use swimstim how much of the bag should i use ?? |
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Gazhilla
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Posted - 29 July 2006 : 8:52:04 PM
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Just make enough for a couple of hours mate, use it all that session or the day after at the most mate.
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Posted - 08 September 2006 : 11:56:16 PM
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GAZILLA,
WHY, do you use boiling water when making paste from swimstim?? i use the cold water from the lake or river and make it up on the bank ,if i make any at home i still use cold water |
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Gazhilla
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Posted - 09 September 2006 : 6:57:15 PM
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| its all about the emulsification (melting) of the oils in it mate, works a treat mate, trust me. |
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Posted - 10 September 2006 : 10:06:37 PM
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| GAZHILLA, Ive been fishing at mallorys the glebe fisherie today, i made my paste up at lake side withwater from lake, i also tried the boiling water method theres no difference by the way i bagged up, but you do seem to get a lot of foul hooked fish on paste any idea how to stop some of that |
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Gazhilla
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Posted - 11 September 2006 : 9:42:56 PM
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Unfortunately thats paste fishing. You get lots of liners mate, all i would say is wait a second after the float buries before lifting into bites.
I still get foul hooked fish but practice does make perfect mate.
Gary |
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A Beginners Guide To Paste Fishing
