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 Posted - 14 November 2004 : 11:35:14 AM
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My approach to Punch & Crumb.
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Barry Russell aka Barrybloke.
Winters on us. Most of the leaves have gone and its going to start getting harder. Punch and crumb is a method I'm sure loads of the lads on here know all about but Ive seen blokes on Woodstock recently making a right dogs dinner of what is a very productive and easy method when done right and I reckon theres probably guys on here would benefit from some of us getting our bread heads on for them. This is the way for me, please feel free to join in and argue.
Plummet,, This is elemental in all fishing but particularly on the
punch bread. Depth has got to be right. I make my own. I get a small nut and a 1p or 2p piece and a half inch piece of silicone sleeving that fits the bore in the nut. Araldite the silicone inside the small nut and Araldite the small nut to the penny. You prick your hook through the silicone and away you go. You now have a plummet that will not sink into the silt and will give you an accurate dead depth.
Crumb,, Frozen bread liquidises far better than your normal out of the cupboard bread. Break it up and put it in your liquidiser. Give it a good go in there not just a quick blast. Put it in a bag and then back in the freezer. Put it back in the liquidiser the night before you want it. You will then have a very fine crumb that wont feed your fish off.
Punch,, Fresh thick sliced. 4-6 slices will be massively adequate. Cut the crust off as this takes moisture out of your slices. Hold the slice over steam for 1 second each side then microwave each slice separately for 5 seconds on full power. GENTLY, roll it under a rolling pin cut it in half and wrap each half separate in its own bag as it should be sticky now. Something that I do a bit differently here is a couple of the slices I will keep on one side. The bag I'm going to wrap them in I will give a TINY squirt of scopex into the bag and then wrap my bread in them. This is in case you get skimmers moving in because when it comes to skimmers they do tend to queue up for the smell of scopex where I'm not convinced roach are that bothered .
OK, Baits sorted and I'm on the bank. First thing that comes out of my box for this now and onto the bait table is 2 white bathroom tiles,, . Cracking up.
Bread is more vulnerable to weather conditions than any bait I can think of. I could spend time getting my hookbait right to lose it due to a rainstorm, drying breeze or hot sunshine in seconds. Keeping my prepared slice of bread between 2 tiles will give it protection from all these and makes a good platform to work my punch off. This will seriously keep my bait in good nick 4 times longer.
Now I stick my liquidised crumb through my pinkie riddle, chuck any lumpy bits on the bank for the robins and put it into my groundbait tray and cover it up with a damp cloth, (damp).
If its shallow still water then I would cup it in as it is, loose. If it was something with a flow ,(ie a canal) I would mix a little water in with it to help get it down a bit quicker.
Bread punches. Choice is vast and various. Loads of guys will tell you that theirs are the best you can buy. I use a set of Image punches I must have had for at least 10 years. I also use the Drennan green plastic flake punches which again Ive had for many years. I don't know what are in the shops now but you want a set for hooksizes from 22s to 14s . They need to be shallow. It would be a consideration also that if they fall in they float. Just use what you are happy with.
This style of fishing tends to tell you very quickly wether its going to go or not. In a match situation, (depending on whats going on around me) I would give this half an hour to 45 minutes generally. Had I not had positive results after this Id put it on the deck and revert to plan B.
Likewise, its not a bait that tends to stay the distance. Ive fished matches were the punch has gone all the way through the 5 hours but I wouldn't say they were the norm. Thats why you only feed it into 1 part of your swim ,( generally the bottom of the nearside ledge ) and you feed very lightly. It will win you matches on canals and ponds particularly in the winter but you often need a little something on the side as well.
Floats ,, I use as a rule "Drennan roach carbon stems" but theres stacks to choose from. I start off as "Yinsky" (cheers Mucker) around an inch off the bottom and spread out shot pattern, ( I use tiny styles ). Lay it out gently as you want it to sink slowly and watch your float slowly come to the vertical. That way your looking for fish and fishing all the way down not just when you get close to the bottom.
Hooks,, This isn't very useful to you . I don't know what hooks mine are. I bought a shed load of "Gamakatsus" about 5 years ago from a closing down sale and immediately took them out of the packets and stored them in plastic boxes in anti moisture crystals. Gama's normally have i.d numbers longer than my old army number and I don't recall what pattern number they were. I know Preston do a very similar pattern in a yellow packet.
They are a fine wire , medium length shank , round bend and really very sharp barbless pattern. They work for me, others will tell you other hooks, Ive just described a general pattern you need to be looking for.
Line,, Again this is down to choice. Pro Micron has been my first choice for years. For this style of fishing Id be using .07 and my elastic would still be Orange Middy Hi viz.
1 line I bought again as a big lot for 50p a spool was the "Daiwa Will Raison line" 2lb and 2.5lb . Ive now thrown 20 plus spools in the bin its trash don't bother with that one. Its got more kinks than a German brothel.
Initial feed,, I use a pole pot similar to a kinder egg for this. When you put your crumb in the pot , don't tamp it down with your thumb as if your loading a pipe. It frequently makes it stubborn to come out and you don't want to be messing around trying to get it out over the heads of shy roach in a clear, cold ,canal.
I put 1 "SMALL" pot in and then fish to that for 10 minutes. If I get fish immediately (and I would expect to) I wouldn't feed again until the bites start to slow down or unless a boat came through ,then I would repeat the process. Use a pot don't throw your feed, keep your feed tight and maximise your bites. Once I felt I had the fish coming steadily I would then start to use my catty and feed a "TINY" pinch of squatt frequently around my float as well to hopefully draw a few more fish and to give you an alternative for when the bread goes off, which 6 times out of 10 it will.
All I will guarantee with this topic is that it will generally catch you fish when a otherwise a blank is on the cards. Theres loads of blokes on here that can do this better than me but this will give some of you younger Muckers a grounding and net you a few. Ive not tried to preach the gospel, just tried to help you catch some more fish this winter. Cheers to the Muckers who have chipped in with this.
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roachcatcher
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Posted - 13 November 2005 : 09:47:13 AM
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how to fish and feed the punch on a calm flowing river??
(I'm not speaking english as well as you please excuse silly answers or questions!!)(if they are)gone to england for finding a good coarse fishing forum like this!!
eat sleep go fishing we are'nt maniacs are'nt we??
so long alex |
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roachcatcher
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Posted - 19 November 2005 : 7:48:44 PM
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no idaes how to feed in flowing water??
(I'm not speaking english as well as you please excuse silly answers or questions!!)(if they are)gone to england for finding a good coarse fishing forum like this!!
eat sleep go fishing we are'nt maniacs are'nt we??
so long alex |
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hacks
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Posted - 20 January 2006 : 1:36:55 PM
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feed 3 yards upsteam from where your fishing the current will carry the bait down stream to where your fishing
cherrs,hacks
carp love me !!! |
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The all rounder
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Posted - 17 April 2006 : 4:09:45 PM
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| Is it true Bread which has been frozen will be better to make liquidized bread? |
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jammy angler
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Posted - 18 April 2006 : 09:56:56 AM
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i think that fresh bread is better personally, i normaly buy 17p asdas own brand stuff n liquidize up 2 3 loafs at a time and woteve i dont use on the day i take home leave it in a hod room so it goes stale and grinde it up some more (next weeks white crumb) put it in the freezer and use the next time i go fishin as my crumb
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milesday
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Posted - 28 May 2006 : 9:20:50 PM
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| if you liquidized it like 3 days befor and put it in the freezer n took it out the night befor the match and re done it its alot finer and is great for when its fishing harder |
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goodyoungangler
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Posted - 03 June 2006 : 9:02:54 PM
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gud info!
tharvey |
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Posted - 29 June 2007 : 3:39:04 PM
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| Thanks, great article. |
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Posted - 15 April 2008 : 10:53:06 PM
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just to let you all know brilo box make a punch tray to store your hook bread in to stop it drying out if you fish bread a lot its one of the best things you could get I don't know were I would be without mine.... |
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Posted - 08 February 2010 : 7:07:22 PM
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| i have prepared my bread exactly the same way as you dave. i had better results on it than i did on maggot: briliant bait. |
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T1Cybernetic
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Posted - 17 February 2012 : 7:48:36 PM
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Perfect time of year to fish a punch line, Struggling to catch or not.
I've managed to get a few friends using bread over the last few weeks who would not normally use such a bait and they've had some good results.
So thanks for the info and here is a friendly reminder to anyone reading to get that bread out and give it a blast  |
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Posted - 08 January 2013 : 4:51:41 PM
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| add i bit of milk powder to your crumb to cloud it up a bit. |
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Posted - 08 January 2013 : 5:31:56 PM
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| Salford friendly anglers are running matches on the old river in irlam which is a class punch water and you will catch all of the match and unlike canals they like plenty of feed iv fed close to a full loaf in the last 2 matches |
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Posted - 15 February 2013 : 7:05:28 PM
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Any tips for getting a crumb ball to the bottom in depths of 8-12ft on a still water?
I've got half a bag of Sensas binder - would adding some of that be effective? |
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Barrybloke's approach to Punch & Crumb.
