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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  12:01:39 PM  Show Profile  Visit johnpetra's Homepage Bookmark this topic Add johnpetra to your friends list
Hi! All My question is Can Anyone Please tell me or explain to me what is meant by the term F1 fish.
Many Thanks John

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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  12:04:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit ronb's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add ronb to your friends list
Hi,any first cross to make a hybrid is called the 1st fillial generation (F1 for short)and the F1 in fish is a cross between a crucian and a carp-hope this helps-Ron


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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  12:05:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit groundhog's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add groundhog to your friends list
John F1 fish, or F 1's as they are more commonly known are usually Carp hybrids mate.


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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  12:06:08 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add phil-k to your friends list
F1 Hybrid Carp 'an unusual cross between a Crucian and a Mirror with sizes up to 4lbs.'


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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  12:07:29 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add phil-k to your friends list
quote :
Originally posted by phil-k

F1 Hybrid Carp 'an unusual cross between a Crucian and a Mirror with sizes up to 4lbs.'



It is a genetically modified fish.


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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  4:54:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit adam_f's Homepage  Click to see adam_f's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add adam_f to your friends list
quote :
F1 Hybrid Carp 'an unusual cross between a Crucian and a Mirror with sizes up to 4lbs.'



a f1 is actually a crucian carp crossed with a common carp. this is why f1 carp are all fully scaled like a common carp. they also have no barbels under the mouth


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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  5:52:37 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kleinboet to your friends list
Can someone please enlighten me on F2s?



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Posted - 24 April 2007 :  7:01:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit sladey's Homepage  Click to see sladey's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add sladey to your friends list
f2's are the new strain what are designed to grow to bigger sizes


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  4:53:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit leejmar's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add leejmar to your friends list
i also heard these F1 are not ment to spawn yet on a resent visit to a water which have these F1, a number of them was full of spawn.


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  5:06:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add brasem to your friends list
Always thought f1's were a cross between a crucian and a brown goldfish, although there are probably several different crosses.


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  5:55:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit nickwhite26's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add nickwhite26 to your friends list
quote :
Originally posted by leejmar

i also heard these F1 are not ment to spawn yet on a resent visit to a water which have these F1, a number of them was full of spawn.


Now someone correct me if i'm wrong, but all (or most) F1's are female, so they will spawn, so I don't think that (obviuosly) other F1's can't fertilise the eggs


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  6:26:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit adam_f's Homepage  Click to see adam_f's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add adam_f to your friends list
f1 carp lay eggs normal carp fertilise them = F2 carp its not that easy but its the easy way to explain.
f2 grow quicker and are more resistant to disease than normal carp.


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  6:45:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit nick_gilbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add nick_gilbert to your friends list
A F1 carp is a cross between a king carp(common) and a brown goldfish

They can be very delacate feeders and it is not as easy as you think to put together a big net of them.





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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  7:59:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit Peter's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Peter to your friends list
Sorry Nick but I believe that you're wrong in this case.
F1's were originally created by Simon Hughes, the owner of Riverfield Fish Farm and Monk Lakes.
They are the result of a cross between a female Mirror Carp and a male Crucian Carp.

You can find a copy of an article about them HERE.




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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  8:16:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit nick_gilbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add nick_gilbert to your friends list
Ops, I must have been told wrong!

Is that a old write up as it says they are likely to be between 12oz & 2lb






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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  10:03:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit BarryC's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add BarryC to your friends list
What was the reason for F1s in the first place! Surely straight commons would grow bigger, faster and breed naturaly. Is it a dissease thing or what!


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  10:11:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Peter's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Peter to your friends list
No Barry,
really a way of controlling stocking levels, without ending up with a pool full of tackle smashers. Also they are supposed to feed pretty much year round thus offering consistent sport.




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As Peter said, F1s were created to be the ideal match fish and a cross between a common and a crucian.

The F2s are little mirrors, but with a supposed accelerated growth rate


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  10:53:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit Peter's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Peter to your friends list
This is a classic F1 carp.





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Lovely looking fish

Best caught on paste up in the water


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Posted - 25 April 2007 :  11:07:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit Peter's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Peter to your friends list
quote :
Originally posted by phil-k



It is a genetically modified fish.


Phil-k,
It is NOT a genetically modified fish, just the result of selective breeding.




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