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monkey
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 Posted - 12 June 2004 : 12:39:59 PM
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On my local canal Grand Union Watford, The bailiff requests that if we catch any cray fish to kill them and throw them in the bushes.
Is this normal? I know they carry disease that can harm the British cray fish but I thought they only lived in very clear waters.
Am i getting my knickers in a twist over nothing? should I kill them? (I have killed one and the walkers along the canal were not impressed) Do I have the right or obligation to kill them?
PLEASE HELPPP
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icarpdaily
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Posted - 12 June 2004 : 12:42:35 PM
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If you catch a Signal Cray, Red under thier claws, Kill it and chuck it in the swim, It will deter the rest, If you are having a prblem that is, Or you can just chuck it in a hedge/bin.
Hope this helps, I think i am correct.
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Posted - 12 June 2004 : 1:00:14 PM
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Signals can live in distinctly murky water, don't chuck them in a hedge - they'll make their way back to the water. Take them home and simmer them for 5mins, if they're from filthy water keep them in a bucket of clean water for a couple of days first.
Wish I could find some round here,
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Posted - 12 June 2004 : 1:13:59 PM
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Nicholas
You are not allowed to kill ANY crayfish
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Extract from " A simplified guide to Thames Region Fishery Byelaws and National Byelaws"
Section 4.1
Any person who in fishing for salmon, trout freshwater fish or eels, uses as bait cray fish of ANY species whether alive or dead, or parts thereof, shall be guilty of an offence.
This is to protect native crayfish and to prevent the spread of non-native species such as the American signal crayfish.
Section 5.5
Except with the previous consent of the Authority in writing no person shall remove crayfish from non-tidal waters.
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Posted - 12 June 2004 : 5:56:48 PM
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| if you do kill them jyst make sure no one sees you. No one will no the difference unless you broadcast it that youre killing them. |
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oneforthepot
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 08:29:22 AM
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| Most bailifs are fine about killing signal crayfish as long as you do know the difference. The way the law is phrased at the moment, even with your own signal crayfish farm it's illegal to harvest them. |
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peter9000uk
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 09:43:19 AM
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If you read the basingstoke canal website they state it is illegal to return them.
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 10:44:40 AM
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Originally introduced to this country for the restaurant trade.
"If anyone discovers signal crayfish in the area please let the Agency know by contacting the free emergency number on 0800 80 70 60. Please note that it is illegal to keep or release to the wild any crayfish without a special licence from Defra, if they are non-native, or English Nature, if they are native."
The interpretation of this ruling means that the return of a captured crayfish requires a license. Most clubs have interpreted this to mean that killing them is required.
http://www.scientific-alliance.org/...lchockin.htm
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100...siteid=50082
This alien species of crayfish sheds its skin several times a year and during these times are soft and vulnerable. The result is most rivers with this species now support much larger perch and chub. On my local section of the Ouse, north MK. It is now a fairly regular experience to catch perch upto 4lb and chub of 6lb. Only 10 miles down stream, the UK barbel record was caught.
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 1:51:53 PM
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peter9000uk
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 3:52:09 PM
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They are being caught further up the Thames now
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 4:08:58 PM
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I would personally remove them and take them home, garnish with crushed black pepper and olive oil then gently cook on the barbie.
Bloody good eating but WILL destroy a fishery in no time, have any of you fished the Shannon recently ? they are rife in there now and spreading into the lough systems too.
I personally also believe that it is ILLIGAL to return ANY non native species. that includes Zander, Crayfish etc etc. Im not sying it morally correct though to kill zander for example.
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monkey
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 5:08:01 PM
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thanks for the advise guys, these buggers are about 8 inches long, and I have caught 4 in one session, I thought about eating them, are the native cray fish quite small?
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Posted - 14 June 2004 : 8:48:42 PM
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I don't think there's many native crayfish left!! See here for my local club's approach last summer.
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Posted - 16 June 2004 : 6:43:45 PM
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oneforthepot
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Posted - 16 June 2004 : 7:22:41 PM
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Monkey - the native crayfish are by comparison very small but can get up to 3 inches good photos here
http://www.cheshire-biodiversity.or...crayfish.htm
You need a license now just to handle the natives and don't even think about cooking them.
the invaders however:
http://www.introduced-species.co.uk...crayfish.htm
are on average quite a bit bigger - and more agressive. They're also exceptional eating. British Waterways who control the canals have no problem with people taking them for eating.
Mitten crabs - well you can't really mistake a freshwater crab for our natives. they're also reputed to be very good eating - and are eaten raw in some places. One of the angles of control they're going for is promoting british harvested mitten crabs for food as they don't carry the lung flukes that are present in other countries - we lack the intermediate host.
Then there's zebra mussles which are actualy starting to block the water control systems in the Birmingham canal network.
Maybe if we encouraged the otters.....
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Posted - 17 June 2004 : 10:24:34 PM
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| i was reading about crayfish a while ago and they reckon they make up a large part of a pikes diet if they are in the same water |
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Posted - 18 June 2004 : 03:54:39 AM
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| I sure wish we had those big crawdads here in florida. they make the best bait. just hook em near the tail and crack their heads open till the yellow stuff oozes out.Best bait for cats here. I personally wouldnt eat the little buggers but they are edible especialy if from clean waters. if we here had to kill all the non native species we would have to kill all the carp and about 1/4 of the freshwater fish in florida.not to mention all the animals let loose down here.by people not knowing anybetter.too bad you guys cant use them as bait they work on carp as well. |
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 03:29:08 AM
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Crayfish in England
Native White-Clawed Crayfish on the left
Feral Signal Crayfish on the right
Crayfish Law
A license is needed to trap non-native Crayfish in the Thames region
License Application Form for Non-Native Crayfish Trapping
A license is needed to keep Crayfish unless you live in the green area on the map below
License Application Form to Keep Non-Native Crayfish
White-Clawed Crayfish Law
White-clawed crayfish are listed on Schedule 5 of the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981, but only receive protection under Sections 9(1) and 9(5). Section 9(1) of the Act makes it an offence to take white-clawed crayfish. Under Section 9(5) it is an offence to offer for sale, transport for sale, advertise for the purpose of trading any live, dead, part, or derivative of, white-clawed crayfish. Section 9 applies to all stages in their life cycle.
The maximum fine on conviction of offences is currently £5000. The CRoW Act amended the 1981 Act to allow for a custodial sentence of up to six months instead of, or in addition to, a fine. Fines may be imposed in relation to each offence committed, so operations involving many animals or repeated offences can potentially accrue large fines. In addition, items or equipment, which may constitute evidence of the commission of an offence, may be seized and detained. The CRoW Act also amends the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 to render Section 9 offences ‘arrestable’, giving the police significant additional powers.
Signal Crayfish & Other Non-Native Crayfish Law
It is an offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 to release, or allow to escape, any non-native animal to the wild in Great Britain except under licence. The same offences apply in respect of certain non-indigenous species, which have established resident populations in Britain and which are listed in Schedule 9 of the Act.
Under these provisions it is an offence to release any crayfish species (other than A pallipes) to the wild. The introduction of crayfish to water bodies from which they are able to escape, such as ornamental ponds, or farm ponds could also render the person making such introductions liable to prosecution under the Act.
It is government policy to presume against the issue of licences to release crayfish, and therefore anyone considering the introduction of crayfish to any body of water should contact FHI , Defra or WAG for advice.
In addition to the 1981 Act, further legal controls on the keeping of non-native crayfish were implemented in 1996. In England and Wales, this legislation was made as an Order under the Import of Live Fish (England and Wales) Act 1980. Titled ‘The Prohibition of Keeping of Live Fish (Crayfish) Order 1996’, and referred to here as the Crayfish Order.
This legislation made it an offence to keep any crayfish in England and Wales, except under licence.
Defined crayfish as all members of the families Astacidae, Cambaridae and Parastacidae, excluding our native crayfish Austropotamobius pallipes. Made an exception to 1 above for signal crayfish in those parts of England where extensive populations existed, and controls were inappropriate. The Order lists the areas where licences are not required to keep signal crayfish. These are shown by the green areas on the map at the top of the page.
There is a general presumption against the issue of keeping licences for non-native crayfish. Applications are usually only considered in respect of keeping in secure sites for scientific research, or for aquaculture, where the crayfish are to be held in secure indoor facilities and sold direct to the food market.
How to Kill Crayfish
DO NOT KILL THE WHITE-CLAWED CRAYFISH
These instructions are intended for non-native species only
To kill crayfish, you can separate the head from the body, drop them into boiling water, pierce the thorax with a knife, or put them on ice (the ice freezes their gills). you can also render them unconcious by boiling some water letting it cool down then putting them in the water until they stop moving, then you can cook them in whichever way you like.
Crayfish Recipes
Crayfish And Pasta
Serves: 6
4 tablespoons butter
4 tablespoons flour
1500ml crayfish milk (soak the tails in milk for 1 hour and strain)
2 pounds crayfish tails
1/2 teaspoon minced garlic
1/2 cup chopped onions
cayenne pepper
Salt
170ml Dijon mustard
1 pound fresh pasta
Melt butter and add flour. Cook for 5 minutes over medium heat. Add garlic and cook for 1 minute. Add crayfish milk slowly to make a cream sauce. Cook until thickens. Add the mustard, cayenne, and simmer for 5 minutes. Add crayfish tails and onions and simmer for 3 more
minutes. Add salt to taste and serve over fresh pasta.
Crayfish Fritters
Serves: 6
cup full of crayfish tails
1/4 cup pimientos chopped
1/4 cup green onions chopped
2 cups flour
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup broth or water
Oil for frying
Cook (boil) crayfish tails, cool, and chop. Add pimientos and onions to crayfish. Sift flour, baking soda and salt together and add to crayfish. Add broth or water and mix to make a thick batter. Cover and let rest for 1/2 hour. Heat oil. Drop in batter by spoonfulls and fry until golden brown.
Just imagine if we had these giants in our waterways!
Delicious!
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 08:42:33 AM
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Can't beat those on size but this lot:
Took about an hour to collect with a single cube of beef tied to the inside of my landing net. I got a further 10 soft shells by turning over stones. |
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 09:36:36 AM
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oneforthepot
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 12:31:07 PM
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| That was the Blythe in Warwickshire. I tried dead baiting for pike but the bait was skeletonised by those nasty little crustaceans in about 15mins, so I fished them until I could catch no more. |
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 1:37:03 PM
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| Monkey, come and fish the Thames. You can catch as many in a 5 hour match as you like. 20..30..40.........grrrrrrr. However, 3lb-4lb Perch and 6lb+ Chub are now very common. |
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 3:05:24 PM
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Does anyone know if the signal crayfish is present in the Tees?
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oneforthepot
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 3:28:14 PM
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There are signal crays in the Tees, make sure you can identify them though ( not difficult!) as other rivers around there still hold the native crayfish.
Do crayfish count in matches if you get them holding onto a hook? |
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 6:07:14 PM
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| The simple answer is to put in a tin of catmeat in a trap then BarBQ the lot . |
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 8:18:08 PM
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ON THE STRETCH OF THE THAME THAT I FISH THE BAILIFF ASK ME TO KILL THE CRAYFISH OR TO TAKE THEM HOME FOR A BAR-B-Q, THE LOCK KEEP ALSO SAID NOT TO PUT THEM BACK IN TO THE RIVER. A FRIEND TOLD ME THAT HE CONTACTED THE EA ABOUT THE CRAYFISH (SIGNAL) AND THEY SAID HE MUST DISTROY THAM AS HUMAINLY AS POSSIBLE IF HE PUT THEM BACK IN HE WOULD BE STOCKING A NON NATIVE ANAMAL.
MAYBE THE E.A SHOULD CLEAR THINGS UP FOR US ANGLERS |
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BARRYBLOKE
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Posted - 12 August 2004 : 8:30:04 PM
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I cant find any round here,,,Do any of the Welsh guys know of any. Ive had a trap down on the Wye and Rhumney but no takers.
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fishinherts
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Posted - 13 August 2004 : 12:24:40 AM
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| The Signal Crayfish so far aparrently has not got that far. Presume the only crayfish that would reside in those rivers would be the White-Clawed crayfish. this crayfish does not make for very good eating as it is only very small and it is also illegal to disturb in any way the white-clawed crayfish without a license as they are nearly extinct. |
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