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scouse
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Posted - 07 March 2004 :  8:08:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit scouse's Homepage  Click to see scouse's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this topic Add scouse to your friends list
i want to know what is the best pole
for geting 15/20lb carp
its for a mate of mine
hope u can help


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Posted - 07 March 2004 :  9:15:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BARRYBLOKE to your friends list
Scaffold preferably scouse,,,come on mate,nobody seriously looks for carp that size on the pole.Iff they come along you pray,,,,a lot,,,
Im a serious pole angler but I would never go out to intentionally hit carp of 20lb on a pole,and neither would any angler that had any concern for the fish.


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Posted - 07 March 2004 :  9:25:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit Peter's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Peter to your friends list
Have to agree on this one.
If you're consistently targetting carp of that size,then the pole has to take a back seat to the rod and reel.

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Posted - 07 March 2004 :  9:53:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit Dave's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Dave to your friends list
Besides that how are you going to get it to sit on a pod and what type of buzzers would you use?

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You should ask Geoff what pole he has...after his 17 pounder yesterday




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Chris, as I said I was not targetting that size of carp. There are only a couple in the lake.

I agre with Peter, if I was after fish that size, rod and reel has to be the right way to go.

BTW I used a cheap Preston Axium Pole, rated to 20 elastic, only 130, and it handled that fish quite well.

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AL_Peters
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Mmmm interesting subject i own a dvd called of Bob nudds called fishing for big carp on the pole where his aim is catching big carp on the pole he as quite a few carp up to 16llbs so comments like "and neither would any angler that had any concern for the fish" bring a smile to my face, most companys throw specialist carp poles elastics etc etc down your throat and are aimed at fishing for big carp, most commercials i know hold very large carp so what you guys saying dont use your poles on waters that hold large carp i seem to remember not to far back in Angling times a guy who landed a 40 on a pole as well and he was targeting them if your gears balenced right you have the right pole and set up you can land anything with a little luck and angling experience.

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scouse
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Posted - 08 March 2004 :  9:35:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit scouse's Homepage  Click to see scouse's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add scouse to your friends list
if the pole was not designed for carp fishing
why do shops sell 20 elastic
and why did browning bring out the
the 8 mtr pole called drag and net
and u put the elastic through the top section section
drag and net says it all


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Posted - 09 March 2004 :  4:44:38 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lance to your friends list
hmmmmmmm try the maver slection, they have cheep poles that can handly good sized carp!

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Posted - 09 March 2004 :  5:07:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit nick_gilbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add nick_gilbert to your friends list
I would asume any pole with a 20 rating would handel big fish, as long as it is set up right.

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AL_Peters
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Posted - 09 March 2004 :  11:23:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit AL_Peters's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add AL_Peters to your friends list
I would also assume that to mate well said

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Al_Peters, the 40 you mention that was in Angling Times, was an "experiment" for a pole manufacturer and it was caught in France.
That was no "ordinary" pole it was elasticated "ON THE OUTSIDE".

I would not recommend that you "try that at home" !!



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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  09:30:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit nick_gilbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add nick_gilbert to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by Dave

Besides that how are you going to get it to sit on a pod and what type of buzzers would you use?




you could allway stick a mini bite to the end of your pole instead of a kinder pot

Look here if you dont know what they are LOL http://www.wmac.co.uk/



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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  5:27:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit AL_Peters's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add AL_Peters to your friends list
Still a pole innit if its elastic is on the outside or whatever and it landed the fish it just goes to show that tackle companies are looking at the big fish on the pole cos its big business, the main point being there are poles out there for targetting bigger carp how anyone can target paticular fish on commercials is a wonder to me with the stocking levels and sizes and species of fish surely it's better to have gear made for the job, all i am saying is you don't know what you will hit in to next and thats why most companies are making poles to fit that paticular section of angling my personal fav would be the lerc cm 90 for what its worth the diawa tournament is a beast of a pole as is a few in the maver and shimano range it's all down to personal preference so comments like use scaffolding when a guy is asking a perfectly good and simple question is behond me not only that the guy is one of the best river fishermen i have ever met who's knowledge is second to none and would and as helped many a angler on this forum.

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Just a quick pointer Scouse!!! Milo do the Toledo Carp which I think has RRP of around 800 (but don't quote that) and has taken carp to 50 lb with plenty in the 20-30 lb area while being tested By the Milo crew in france !!! Elastication was novel though!!!

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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  6:05:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Dennis.F's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Dennis.F to your friends list
Well said, Al,i could'nt agree more. As my knowlage of rivers is very limited Scouse is the kind of MD member i would be asking for advice. I think RESPECT is the order of the day..........
Keep posting lads,i love the read oh and TIGHT LINES!!!!!!!!




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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  6:12:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit gazmalman's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add gazmalman to your friends list
I think everyone here's right to an extent. From what i hear alot of the fish in drayton are a mess due to people ripping the hooks out of their mouths trying to drag them out on tight 20 laccys + at the moment I would tend to agree that if you are looking to put carp of that size in the net then for sake of the fish it should be done with rod and line. I would say it is a question of balance though and im sure tackle companys (such as Milo who caught that 48lber during testing) are working out ways of balancing up pole tackle to handle bigger carp. Lets face it if this question had been asked about 5lb carp 15 years ago people would have said don't do it for the sake of the fish and for that matter tackle but now we have 10,12,14 etc.. laccys and poles to match.

Back to the orginal question though, IF the carp are being targeted in open and snagless water i would say go for something dirt cheap and strong ie a Leeda Assasin II which you can pick up for 65 at 11m so if you do batter a section or two it's not costing you alot. It's not like you'd need a poker stiff pole to hit bites from fish of that size is it? I wouldnt want to go using a decent pole even if it is relitively strong like the cm90 or the torney pro for that kind of treatment.


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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  6:17:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit AL_Peters's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add AL_Peters to your friends list
Thats your choice mate on using the pole of your choice everyone to there own i used a maver spartacus for 12 months but as i say the cm 90 is the business and thats what i choose to use i mentioned the daiwa tourny cos its what most of ted carters prestons guys use for there match fishing and ot does them for everything as for ripped mouths thats another issue and using a rod and line wont stop that.

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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  6:52:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit gazmalman's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add gazmalman to your friends list
I understand that the torny's a strong pole and im sure the lads at carters use them for everything, but im sure they dont target 15-20lb carp week in week out on them and im also sure they wouldnt pay as much as you or i would for spares. The fact is for getting out big lumps you dont need 2500 worth of carbon as i say hitting bite from big carp (in my experience) doesnt take much doing so you dont need the pole to be stiff + if you batter a no4 section on a cheap pole the worst it's going to be is 25, batter one on a torny and it's going to cost you four times that, worse what if it's the no8 or 9 then your looking at 350-400.

Ripped mouths- My brother and I fish a tight swim in a lake in york, it's by a bridge with nasty posts- basically it's a simalar situation to the boards at drayton. The carp in this swim goto 30lb + we get all but the biggest carp out on heavy (maybe 3/4lb test) waggler rods and 6lb line. With the rod and line you get more of a 'feel' for the fish and with the through action of the rod you have a bit of a cusion and the 6lb line will go before the hook pulls on the few occasions fish are lost. Using a margin pole cut right back with a short length of 20 laccy and 10lb to 15lb maxima in does not, in my opinion, afford anywhere near as much control or saftey to the fish. I cant remeber the last time i fished a rod and line but sometimes it makes more sense than fishing the pole.


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Posted - 10 March 2004 :  6:59:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit AL_Peters's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add AL_Peters to your friends list
Beg to differ there mate you obviously havent heard of a fishery called greenhalghs where there are 2 opens a week with fish going 20 pound and landed more than lost the question was can you reccomend a pole that will do the job the poles i mentioned will do the job i know this becuase i have seen it and used the poles mentioned no one is saying you dont have more feel with a rod and line it's all i use on the rivers.

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in anglers mail somebody landen a 51lb carp on the pole!!!!!!1

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